Kilkenny GAA Thread

Cork got Punished twice for throws last year and during the semi final match v limerick live on TV i was 100% convinced they were throws and one of them led to a disallowed goal. At ht analysis they replayed the incidents in slow motion and there were both legitimate handpasses but impossible to call. A rule needs to be brought in where there is clear separation of 2 inches, so that it is an obvious handpass, if not obvious blow it.

The fact that the referees are not picking up on it is the problem though…. and I believe they are afraid to because they know they’ll get lashed out of it by the pundits on the Sunday Game and actually it’s those very same pundits that have to …..“reach for the remote “ ….as you put it, to prove there was a millimetre of separation not the other way around.

Again you’re missing the point, you shouldn’t have to use slow motion to see if a handpass is legal…. that’s exactly what makes it illegal.

You are missing my point, the current rules are not sufficient and most of the hand passes are legal. My action was to implement a rule of clear separation of 2 inches, so it will be blatantly obvious if it is a hand pass or not, anything not obvious blow it. Players wont be long stopping when they get the hand taken off them with much slower hand pass when implementing clear separation. Should not be to hard to monitor either

Correct, the rules say the referee must see "a definite striking action with the hand".

4 slow motion replays that finally identify a tip of the finger touch doesn't overrule this.

For what it's worth, I agree,as a spectacle the game has never looked better, but part of the reason it's aesthetically good is the rule breaking.

Example

Corner back takes 3 steps,dummies the oncoming player with a sidestep (2 more steps), motors on for a further 4 or 5 steps, offloads a throw to wingback coming onto his shoulder at pace. He throws a looped pass over a defender's head to the wing forward who slots over an arrowed shot from the sideline unmarked, Cue the whoops.

Corner back takes 3 steps, dummies the oncoming player with a sidestep (2 more steps), attempts to motor on but is immediately (and correctly) blown for steps, and the opposition get a tap over free. "Booo, you're spoiling the game as a spectacle, let it flow".

The former is visually far more appealing but it's bogus, and if left unchecked will get far worse (clever modern coaches spend a lot of time looking to exploit the rules) and we will have a farce of a game that bears no resemblence to hurling.

My theory on things is Kilkenny are going to find out real soon that TJ Reid has been masking over a lot of problems in the county team this last 10 years by carrying lads on his back through unerring freetaking, ball winning, bringing lesser players into play and general leadership.

Ballyhale are slipping already after doing the same for them albeit with some unbelievable players with him like the Fennellys etc.

Kyle Hayes makes Limerick tick aswel, they won’t win anything without him on the pitch.

What others lads are going to step up now and carry Kilkenny for the next 10 years in attack during championship like TJ did?

It was grand during the good times, spoilt with Shefflin, Brennan, Larkin, Powers, Taggy, Mick Fennelly, Hogan

Whos the next leader??

Monday night

A leader always emerges after the present leader goes. If they are going to be good or bad remains to be seen.

Yeah it is a big year for Mullen, himself and Eoin Cody are not the same players without TJ around them. John Donnelly and Cian Kenny are up there with Huw Lawlor now as irreplaceable.

Kiely more or less full throttle with team v galway for Saturday. O donoghue hayes finn back. Casey and hegarty on bench.

Good to see John Donnelly back on the panel and McDonald getting another run, no Eoin Cody.

Might have Mullen back next weekend. Stephen donnelly in a race to be fit for championship. Drennan and dunne could be auditioning to stay on the panel. Pity Owen Wall isn't there he would of added a bit of pace and direct. I thought they might give moylan a run after doing well against cork. The backs are more or less settled,maybe Shane Murphy will get in. Midfield pairing changes every week,molloy is well able to hurl and should start the championship. The same fowards that have struggled to get enough scores to win big matches,it's hard to believe kk can't bring through any kind of a decent foward. Players stock rises when they are out but it will be back to donnelly and Mullen to replace dunne and drennan for the championship. Kk really needed more players to step up. This is a big match for kilkenny and they certainly wouldn't want to be flirting with relegation and getting bet by 3 munster teams or losing 3 matches at home. It wouldn't be a good start heading into the championship but a loss Sunday and a clare win wouldn't be great.It will be intresting to see what way herity will set them up on puckouts and tactically.They will go after the two corner backs. They release the ball quick into the fowards something that kilkenny are slow at.Tipp are back a long time and have a huge amount of work done. They are ahead of a few teams but liam had his team peaking too early the last few years. Galway,cork and tipp could all do with winning a bit of silverware. Kk need a good performance, we would all like to see more than a 55 minute performance. Fading badly out of games. Like to see better ball to the attackers. Not the likes deegan and blanchfield winding up and driving missels or worse again making a hero out of ronan maher. Tactically kk have being easily outsmarted and predictable to play against. Both teams will be up for this match. It's more important to kk to get a win.

sorry KK 3-16 Ls 0-11p

Not every player, i have absolutely highlighted and praised some the players i rate highly. We have not won an all Ireland for 10 years and some players are clearly not good enough but have little fan clubs on this forum. So we think the Kilkenny intercounty team would be better off with 2 Conahy Shamrocks payers who won one match all year and were fairly average for the club and got relegated, i watched the relegation final, Michael Rice at 41 schooled them. If either or both were good enough they would have grabbed the game by the scruff of the neck and won the game, but no both are inconsistent and average for there club.

But i do like your idea of we are wonderful, blame the refs, blame the opposition, give out about members giving an honest opinion on players, how dare any one say anything negative about a Kilkenny hurler, that fantasy world does appeal to me, i can see where some on our mentality has crept into the youth, we put them on a pedestal and when it goes wrong everyone else is to blame.