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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,928 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Trump will say they not real Americans cause they voted democrat



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,456 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,039 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,655 ✭✭✭Infini


    This is what I was expecting to happen at some point. Europe cannot allow Ukraine to fall to Russia, they're an existential threat that will only ever be kowtowed by direct force. The orcs understand nothing else. If it comes to pass then I fully expect more significant consequence for Trump down the line as well, the orange bastard is backstabbing Europe and this will not be forgotten now or with any future Republican Fascist down the line.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 837 ✭✭✭junkyarddog


    https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/world/trump-aides-hold-covert-talks-with-ukrainian-opposition/ar-AA1AnsVJ?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=47c5bb804cef44229ab786f6db334a1c&ei=15

    Trump aides hold covert talks with Ukrainian opposition

    Trump wants to remove Zelensky

    The Trump administration wants elections organised in Ukraine because it believes Volodymyr Zelensky would lose, partly because of public fatigue with the war and his current administration. The Americans also want a more compliant president who would agree to negotiations with the Russians and make substantial concessions on the path to peace. The Kremlin is also putting pressure on voters, having attempted for years to oust Zelensky.

    More backstabbing by the trump regime.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,068 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    This is the original article. Echoes what I have said and suggested, but then as expected, the concept fizzles out because as with a lot of things that sound good, like peacekeepers and guarantees, it's all dependent on Ukraine surrendering - what Trump calls 'peace' - which is unlikely to happen. Europe still wants to support Ukraine, but not get its hands dirty. They still don't get it.

    You want to help, see if you can find 120+ pilots willing to resign from your armed forces, go to Ukraine and sign up with their armed forces, don the uniform and give Ukraine the 120 planes, same goes for maintenance and support personnel. It's a huge ask, but the times call for bold moves.

    What would that be - little blue men? I'm sure Putrid would recognise the tactic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,152 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    What nazi things did they do? Did they burn down any shtetls or kill any Jews? Did they pursue and brutalise any Gay people? Did they threaten Volodymr Zelensky (we keep hearing that he's under constant threat from these nazis unless he does what they demand). Did they gather together any people and shoot them like the shootings at Bucha (perpetrated by unidentified assailants..a real mystery, that), rape any women, torture any men, drop shells onto any schools or hospitals?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,734 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    And the protests in Serbia over the collapsed roof of the train station that killed 15 people . That train station had just been refurbished under the Chinese belt and road initiative.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,928 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    The proposal is for air cover in western part of country far from the front, freeing up Ukrainians to concentrate on the front

    We talking hundreds of kilometres behind the front far out of reach of Russians

    This could have legs, we’ll see



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭yagan


    There is always the elephant in the room of what happens Russia when they run out of donkeys to keep their war going?

    With the USA no longer a team player it will fall on the EU to bring Russia under control after a Putin implosion. The easier solution would be a Europe friendly regime change in Russia, which is preferable but we have to prepare for the worst case regardless.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,777 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    If the US can no longer be relied upon in terms of European security, all the more reason why battle hardened Ukraine needs to be brought into a defence and security arrangement with Germany, Poland, France, UK, Finland, Sweden, Denmark, Baltics etc as a bulwark against Russia.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,726 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    The hysteria over Trump cutting aid to Ukraine is over the top, I don't think the US is abandoning Ukraine, and why on earth would Ukraine sign the deal with them if they were. This is simply a push to get people to the table to come to a peace agreement

    No way would Ukraine sign that deal if Trump tells them he will no longer help their cause with intelligence and military gear .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭yagan


    It's already happening, you could call it the Ukraine effect. Plus Ukraine is now the leading pioneer in using cheap drones to neutralise expensive 20th century hardware. Drone deployment has now become an essential part of the frontline infantry kit and forces around the world will utilize them to their own ends. I believe the Syrian forces that ousted Assad had been using them for years before the Russian invasion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,068 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I know, I didn't just post a link, I read it. I absolutely am 100% in agreement with the proposal, but the way things have been shaping up it's currently got next to no chance of being agreed to, which is extremely unfortunate, hence my suggestion to overcome this paragraph in the article, which unfortunately sums up current EU thinking:

    The concern in western political circles is that it would risk placing fighter jets from Nato member states directly in conflict with Russia, and could lead to a dangerous escalation of hostilities if a jet from either side was attacked or shot down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,928 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    I think up to now ideas like this were shot down by Biden regime and everyone wanting to “reach consensus”

    Now that Trump exploded a nuclear bomb on 80 years of European security and the decision group is much smaller and much more now likely to endup being invaded by Russia I suspect these conversations might go differently now

    On one hand you have Russian allies sending men to die on frontlines on the other hand you have Ukrainians allies only talking about possibly of air patrols far far from frontlines (Ukraine is a large country)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,655 ✭✭✭Infini


    If he spouts Vatnik Talking Points, Supports Vatnik Russia and backstabs allies simply fighting for freedom and a better way of life from Vatnik… he's a bloody Vatnik himself. Ukraine's spent 3 years fighting against the Vatnik bastards trying to overrun them and destroy their culture and country and now we got Agent Krasnov trying to undermine them because his own party are a bunch of hypocrites, sycophants, cowards and cultists who allowed that Orange degenerate to do things unopposed. That we were just a few inches last year from this never happening at all is just depressing to think about.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,651 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I don't think the US is abandoning Ukraine, they are just stopping sending them any financial or military aid, refusing to share intelligence with them, and deporting their citizens from the US. They'll still get some thoughts and prayers though.

    Also a bit weird how they are only "pushing" one side



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,068 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    The hysteria over Krasnov is completely justified, he's a Russian agent and traitor. There is no 'peace' plan, there's a Ukraine surrenders to everything Putrid wants with no concessions whatsoever from him plan.

    The US has completely abandoned Ukraine, and will never reverse that while Krasnov is in the Whitehouse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,068 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Someday in the future it will come out what Russia have on Trump to work as a Russian agent but for now we can only guess. He talks about wanting peace but has not asked a single concession from Putin.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,880 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    I don't think the US is abandoning Ukraine

    I don't think so either but you can never be sure with The Donald

    why on earth would Ukraine sign the deal with them if they were. 

    Zelensky has to do everything in his power to get Trump back on side at this point. Don't think he cares much what happens to the minerals anyway

    Trump tells them he will no longer help their cause with intelligence and military gear .

    Okay he's surely not saying that out loud but he may not be giving any solid commitments about resuming assistance even if Zelensky does everything asked of him



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,726 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Putin won't get sanctions lifted without a peace deal. People think Trump is going to lift them all with nothing in return, now if he did that, I'd agree with you .

    Trump is using his power to make both of them stop the war



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,152 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    As was the case in Canada, Zelensky needs to spread the news that Trump, Putain's lickspittle lackey wants him out. That won't do the opposition any favours.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,777 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    He isn't. He is not using any power against Russia, or threatening them with any consequences should they stop the war.

    Compare the approach to Israel. He threatens terrible consequences on Palestinians if hostage aren't released. Zero pressure on Israel.

    Also, compare the nonsense from Trump about how much the Ukraine war is costing the US with the figures for Israel.

    Trump said later he was “sending Israel everything it needs to finish the job” as his administration expedites billions of dollars in weapons. “Release all of the Hostages now, not later, and immediately return all of the dead bodies of the people you murdered, or it is OVER for you,” he wrote on his Truth Social platform after meeting freed hostages.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/trump-threatens-gazans-to-release-all-hostages-immediately-or-youre-dead-6640903-Mar2025/?utm_source=thejournal&utm_content=top-stories

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,152 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    Vatnik response from around a year ago: outrageous display by opposition, obviously paid off by the CIA and James C. O' Brien (standing in for Victoria Nuland). A coup obviously in preparation. But now….eh, um. rushes off to consult with Moscow to get story straight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,511 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Something worth contemplating.

    If Zelenskyy is blackmailed into a peace deal which would be less than stellar for Ukraine.

    What is the likelihood of a fracture in Ukraine leading to something more serious?

    Obviously that is something that Putin wants and is using Trump to try and achieve.

    I was thinking the other day that Zelenskyy should just walk away, make a deal with the Brits and move his family and close friends to the UK.

    The pressure on that man must be unique, the 2 pound shop mob mosses berating him last week must have gave him pause for thought.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,880 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Yeah but are these just temporary measures to turn the screws on Zelensky is the question



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,928 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Fracture into what tho? The percentage of people left in Ukraine sympathetic to any Russian talking points after three years of Russian rape, murder, looting and destruction must be somewhere around absolute zero



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,405 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I've a feeling Zelensky is actually under less pressure to agree to a 'peace' deal than he was, say, 10 days ago. Trump has clearly identified himself as pro-Putin and anti-Europe. That very much changes the dynamic of what is going on and he is no longer viewed by anyone as an honest broker.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 573 ✭✭✭DrPsychia


    When you think it can't get worse, the orange kremlin asset stoops to a new low.

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    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-plans-revoke-legal-status-ukrainians-who-fled-us-sources-say-2025-03-06



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