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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,779 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Huh?

    A Deportation Order is an order to leave the state, anyone who does not leave is committing a criminal offence and can be arrested.

    Think about it.

    Clearly a large number do

    Well if it is clear, where is your evidence for it?

    You must be basing your claim on something tangible?

    What is it?

    So would it be fair to say the answer to the above question is you have absolutely no evidence to support your claim?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,849 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    2024 , 1792 deportations to October number of asylum applicants 16641 . The orders in no way keep pace with applications.Those with deportation orders can still remain in DP . They make a new application for asylum or cannot be returned .

    https://www.ipo.gov.ie/en/ipo/pages/statistics

    https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2024-10-22/562/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,479 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    How is it a breach of human rights if they are free to leave the country?

    They would not be held against their will at the location.

    They would be given food and accomodation and the option to go elsewhere if they wanted.

    That seems like a great deal for anyone fleeing war torn areas and not great for scammers who want to just rock up here for benefits.

    The only other option is to leave them into the country and if fleeing a criminal charge disappear and we don't know anything about them.

    The opposite is what you must be advocating for, which is open boarders where anyone enters without documentation and we hope they show up to pick up benefits?

    What difference would what I suggested be to countries processing claims offshore?



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,028 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    you can’t imprison people for simply claiming asylum. They haven’t committed a crime and aren’t suspected of committing a crime.

    I’m happy to do what Denmark do and allow them to come and go from the direct provision centres. They are not detention centres.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,779 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Could you point out in either of your links where it states people who have been served with Deportation Orders remain in DP?

    Now there will of course in real terms be overlap, especially for people who request assistance in leaving the state or those who have a basis for challenging the order.

    Referenced from the linked article provided above, 41% of people living in DP have already received refugee status and permission to stay.

    So that leaves 59%.

    So the question is what part of that 59% are in the application process versus as you have claimed already received their marching orders i.e. exhausted the process?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,479 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    If someone has the choice to leave somewhere then they are not imprisoned.

    I am not sure why you keep saying imprisoned when nobody suggested imprisonment.

    Post edited by Backstreet Moyes on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77


    Why are the govt constantly converting any empty building they can find into an Ipas centre?

    Mount street and Oconnell street the most recent ones. Nursing homes across the country shutting down and applying to become IPAS centres.

    If the numbers are so high being rejected, surely there is loads of empty space in what's already there?



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,028 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    You said “detention centre”. That implies they can’t leave, what’s with the word games?

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,320 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Detention centres are the only way out of this. You can leave them anytime you want, via the terminal building at Dublin Airport. It's time we took are borders and security seriously.

    Want to set up a new life in Ireland, apply for a work visa, get rejected, then don't bother arriving. Over stay your visa, detention centres and deportation.

    Want to claim asylum, stay in detention centre still it's been granted. You can appeal, but you stay in detention centre. Rejected, detention centre and deportation.

    No more going around, living your best life, swanning around the country at the expense of the tax payers, while your application is being processed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,479 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    I said holding centre and clarified they could leave.

    Since then you have a accused me of saying they would be imprisoned and used the word detention centre to double down that I am implying they can't leave.

    I am starting to wonder what exactly you are trying to achieve here by deliberately misinterpreting my posts.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,095 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Agree 100%. Absolute twighlight zone that anyone can rock up here, zero identification.

    Answer a few questions, maybe fill out a form or two? Then swan out the door to do as they please.

    Like imagine how sweet that would be as a criminal from other countries.

    Just leave your country and arrive onto our shores clean as whistle. Bizzare.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,028 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    In this case. I apologise, it wasn’t you who said detention centres. It was someone else.

    I didn’t deliberately misinterpret your post, it was a mistake. Earlier on you called me a liar, I stand by that.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,028 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,028 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Yeah, this type of detention centre is illegal and should always be.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,095 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77


    Might as well given Judge Nolans unwillingness to send anyone there



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,028 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Why even ask that, complete false equivalency. People in prison have been convicted of breaking the law.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,320 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Not sure why you're quoting me. Your back and forwards with Backstreet was before I posted that message.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,472 ✭✭✭1800_Ladladlad


    RTE tells us Bohemian FC have been going around north Dublin schools delivering their 'Belonging to a Fair City' program to 5th and 6th class kids 'combating anti-immigrant' sentiment. 54 workshops in 20+ schools…… What they're doing is the "bUt tHE IriSH WenT eVEryWHeRe tOo" to teach kids about the 'Irish experience of immigration' so that they have a better understanding of the situation immigrants here have, all through the topic of sport 'to make it more accessible to the children.'

    "Primary school children saying that "Ireland is full" and that immigrants should "go back to where they came from" are among the comments that have been encountered by staff from Bohemian Football Club as they delivered a school program aimed at combating anti-immigration sentiment in Dublin.

    Yeah that's b*llix.

    It was Bohemian FC who signed Ismaheel Akinade who along with Edgar Ojo & Olajafar Adetoro was convicted of gang-raping a 14yo Irish girl. Do the parents of the children they're attempting to lecture know this? That he's still hailed around Dalymount Park. Because that's the type of people they are.

    This time last year RTE came out with: 'Immigration and the changing face of Dublin's north inner city'The 2011 census tells us that Irish people accounted for 52% (35,376) of the population. A decade later, the 2022 census data shows that 36% (26,163) of its population were Irish. So the the native population has decreased from 53% to 36% in 10 years with a 40% increase in population in that same time period. But if kids are sharing sentiments like they are noticing too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77


    How many people have broken the law in the state by turning up at the airport having deatroyed their passport and have actually been prosecuted for it.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,479 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    But you didn't mix me up with that poster because that post was after you quoted me.

    I am seriously not understanding your intentions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,313 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    I doubt most genuine asylum seekers around the world are helped by Ireland's policies either. We are at capacity in Ireland housing mainly non-genuine ones, according to official estimates.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 7,636 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Aris


    Mod note.

    2 posts deleted.

    A kind reminder of the op note about anecdotes.

    Upcoming gigs and events: Nova Twins, Tanita Tikaram, David Byrne



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,331 ✭✭✭CollyFlower


    The High Court ruled that the State has failed in its duty to provide for basic needs of international protection applicants, breaching their right to dignity...

    Can irish people take a case like this to the high court?

    Post edited by Irish Aris on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 118 ✭✭Thorny Queen


    I had heard locally at the time how brutal this attack and rape was in Letterkenny.

    WTF are you doing in my country thinking you can treat women like this. Horrific.

    Please Government do your job and start protecting our borders properly. Letting every Mohammed, Yusef and Abraham in without question.

    https://www.donegallive.ie/news/crime---court/1744382/man-accused-of-the-brutal-rape-of-a-young-woman-in-letterkenny-to-face-trial.html

    Post edited by Leg End Reject on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,095 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    You're entering the country with no identification. It's illegal to do this. You should be detained until your identity and AS status are comfirmed.

    This would happen to anyone not seeking asylum.

    AS is literally a 'get out of jail' card. It's an abuse.

    If you don't agree with this I've no idea why you'd agree with prisons in general. Plenty of people get detained in prisons until proven guilty/innocent.

    Post edited by PokeHerKing on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77


    And Another one in Dublin industrial estate between finglas and cabra

    https://gript.ie/new-ipas-centre-proposed-for-finglas-industrial-estate/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Why does this country have 34000 ngos for a small population.? Cant get my head round this. Are these funded indirectly by the taxpayer? Btw i do think this is relevant due to us being taken for a ride by some of these institutions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,828 ✭✭✭DeadHand


    Coming to Ireland is an excellent option for any criminal from the Middle East, Africa or the poorer parts of Europe.

    Free accomdation, handouts and no questions asked.

    Even if you do decide to brutalise the natives, it's a slap on the wrist and little risk of deportation. Just a short break until you're back on the handouts again.

    If you keep an eye on the courts, you may notice a great many have reached a similar conclusion.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,503 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Michael Martin stating that most asylum seekers here on false pretences, unthinkable a year ago- every NGO, politician and MSM shill would be outraged and circling the wagons.

    I see nick delahunty said this refugee scam is costing us close to 10 billion a year when everything added up.

    I wonder if Michael Martins tough new stance has anything to do with the dollars drying up🤔. We sure put that money to good use- we got a shiny new refugee industry out of it!



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