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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 919 ✭✭✭creeper1


    There are some winners and just one loser in this phenomenon.

    The right win by getting to keep wages down.

    The left win by getting to feel warm, fuzzy and virtuous (also long term they get new voters).

    The AS win by trading a third world country for one of the richest in the world on a GDP per capita basis.

    The only loser is society at large.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,849 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    17411682169344517086569780687150.jpg

    check out his name on Instagram and see that the account was opened in Egypt in 2016 . !!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,479 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Apologies if you thought I implied you were a liar, I didn't expect a response because you didn't try to troubleshoot them.

    This seems to be an issue for some browsers but is not an issue on Google Chrome.

    Copy the links and paste into goggle chrome and they will work.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,028 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    if “society at large” loses then everyone loses.

    I think the fundamental disagreement here is who we include in “society at large”. Include people from everywhere in the world that have a genuine reason to claim asylum. Others only include Irish people.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,028 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Ok, so this one guy is a spoofer. What does that prove apart form that one guy being a spoofer?


    and more importantly, how does it change the solution? We need to speed up processing, catch spoofers earlier. Deport once their applications fail, deport spoofers.

    This is a massive circular argument. Yes there are spoofers. But our system isn’t designed to deal with them arriving. Fix that. The fix isn’t to lock everyone out.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,028 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    ”I don't expect a response to be transparent but please provide a screenshot of what you are getting and I can help you troubleshoot the issue.”


    is calling me a liar.

    I would be fine with “I don’t expect a response”

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,849 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    Well it proves how well RTE do their research and how he is fooling the IPO .I assume one can now move on !!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,145 ✭✭✭TokTik


    Well we know now he is a scammer, so let’s get rid of him on the next flight to SA. Show that scamming doesn’t work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,321 ✭✭✭prunudo


    I've said for a long time, the current definitions of left and right that the media have drawn up around immigration are skewed. The so called left, the pro immigration side, cheer on capitalism, happy to bring in cheap labour and make immigration landlords into multi millionaires.

    The so called far right, want to put locals first, have a just society where people who are on housing lists for years, can avail of housing and services and not be bunny hopped by those in the country a wet week.

    Ultimately it's all by design though, it's suits the government to have society divided. So called goodies and badies, a group to point the finger at and sneer. It distracts from their failings. The one thing any government fears the most, is the electorate coming together. Hopefully neutrality will be that turning point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,781 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    So it is the left and right that are pro immigration.

    And it is the far right that are anti-immigration.

    Isn't that the way it has always been?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,479 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    I did not call you a liar and already explained what I meant.

    You asked for links and were told they will work in Chrome.

    You now have the information to respond to the links you asked for.

    Edit I see you commented on a link.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,359 ✭✭✭Damien360


    Mod warning:

    post deleted and @Damien360 if you attempt anything like that again your prediction about a ban will come true

    Post edited by Irish Aris on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77


    So the majority are not genuine asylum seekers. It's one big scam.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,028 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Why is it a “scam”? They come and make their claim, it’s turned down and they are deported or leave. It alls happens too slowly.

    Why is it a scam?

    How can we address the majority without punishing the genuine asylum seekers?

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,089 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    HA!

    Yet this government have no problem destroying towns/villages across the country

    No problem propping up the migration industry

    No problem spending billions

    Absolute sickening



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,323 ✭✭✭Photobox


    Yep even Martin ( where's your humanity man) is saying it now. Heard it on radio this morning. Of course everyone was fleeing from war and persecution when interviewed by Prenderville some time back. Amazing how they can do a 180 degrees not a bother.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,544 ✭✭✭batman_oh


    There's no evidence to back this up apparently, everybody is entitled to an attempted scam. It's far right to suggest otherwise. You should be happy to let thousands of people come here and live off the state for life.

    Not sure how it's suddenly not far right now that it's the government saying this - it has been far right, racist lies for the last few years to suggest this according to media and our politicians themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,479 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    How do you know they all are deported or leave?



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,028 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Well, to be precise. They should leave or be deported. That part of the system doesn't work either.

    But I notice you avoid my question. What should we do?

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77


    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40758132.html

    Because they hang around long enough for amnesty like this , then it's clear there is no real desire to deport people.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,781 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    AFAIK that was the first scheme of it's kind and the amount of undocumented migrants was over estimated.

    The scheme was only open to those who did not have a current permission to reside in the State and would enable eligible applicants to remain and reside in the State and to regularise their residency status. In total, 

    6,548 applications were submitted

     in respect of 8,311 people under the scheme

    Not really marrying up with the narrative that all people who have been issued deportation orders stay in the state anyway.

    Another myth blown wide open.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,479 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    I didn't avoid your question, I asked about your statement that they leave or are deported which is incorrect.

    As to what I would do, well I would have everyone in a holding centre until their claim is processed.

    It seems more sensible than letting a fella fleeing murder charges, or someone sexually assaulting an innocent Irish citizen because they found alcohol for the first time when they arrived in Ireland and is out to roam the streets while we don't know anything about them.

    They would have a guaranteed bed and food which would be like winning the lotto for people genuinely escaping a war zone.

    It would certainly encourage a few chancers to head elsewhere.

    There are several steps Denmark have implemented that seem to work.

    What are your suggestions?



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,028 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    ”As to what I would do, well I would have everyone in a holding centre until their claim is processed.”


    This is a fundamental breach of human rights and is therefore illegal.

    I’ve said what I’d do repeatedly: invest in faster processing and deportation.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77


    Who said all people stay? Clearly a large number do and there is no political will to deport people en masse to date. And I'd be of the opinion that there is nefarious financial interests at the heart of this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,781 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Who said all people stay?

    You did.

    They come and make their claim, it’s turned down and they are deported or leave. It alls happens too slowly.

    Because they hang around long enough for amnesty like this

    Clearly a large number do

    Well if it is clear, where is your evidence for it?

    You must be basing your claim on something tangible?

    What is it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,321 ✭✭✭prunudo


    No it's far more nuanced than that. The people at the anti ipas centre protests, by and large aren't far right. That's a description made up by the government and media to sow division and paint a certain group as the problem to distract from political failings. I would say, from talking to people at the protests, they're not even right wing let alone far right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,781 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    So they are left wing?

    Which by your definition makes them pro capitalist and pro immigration.

     The so called left, the pro immigration side, cheer on capitalism, happy to bring in cheap labour and make immigration landlords into multi millionaires.

    The vast majority of Ireland would self level as centrist, you have the racist nutters and Putin apologists on either side of a wide spectrum, occasionally they are so far gone they meet, fortunately these are tiny in their numbers and should be treated with the ridicule they deserve.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,321 ✭✭✭prunudo


    The Taoiseach saying what many have said here all along, God damn FF and their far right rhetoric.

    https://extra.ie/2025/03/05/news/politics/assylum-seekers-economic-migrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,190 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41587168.html

    Least surprising report ever. The billions that we are spending on the asylum industrial complex is not enough. The beast requires more money and will do so indefinitely.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77


    If they are not staying, why are the govt block bookings large quantities of hotel rooms, the city West hotel was bought by the state recently AFAIK and sites all 9vet the country are being turned into asylum seeker accommodation, if there are leaving why is the state involved in large scale development of sites to house asylum seekers.



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