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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 496 ✭✭poop emoji


    South Korea wants nukes now

    https://www.thetimes.com/world/asia/article/south-korea-nuclear-weapons-news-bjsc93skm

    Denmark reopening factories

    https://defence-industry.eu/denmark-selects-nammo-to-restart-ammunition-production-at-elling-plant/

    Canada woke up to Gilead to the south

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2025/03/03/british-nuclear-weapons-canada-trump-chrystia-freeland/

    what a week



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,060 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    To paraphrase that outrunning a bear joke - the Raphale and other stuff doesn't have to be better than US equivalents, it just has to better than what the Orcs have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,016 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    I think Trump's real interest is to be on good terms with Russia, and Zelenskyy is blocking this. They both love the oil business, and they probably want to stop Russia delivering raw materials and oil to China.

    Sure, I am interested in peace, however I don't think that the war would then be over, - it would be about to start again. Russia would only use peace to rearm and regroup and attack NATO, Poland and the Baltics being the biggest target.

    I always thought that Russia would attack Europe by around 2030, however I would think it'll happen as long as Trump is in office, which would be until 2028.

    Would 2027 be the year, Russia would attack NATO? It is not beyond possibility.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    manic as someone linked to US military how do you feel about Trumps treatment of the US military, the allies of the US that have often fought with US military advisors that have been left high and dry by him and the way he is now treating US vets.

    Oh and not to mention how the Congressional Medal of Honor is now not as good as his Presidential Medal of Freedom?

    Just wondering how a US citizen and armed forces member/ex member feels these days about the way the US is going.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,006 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Zelensky has dealt with being invaded by Russia very well considering the circumstances. He remains popular in Ukraine, and has huge international respect. He has strong principles and has not stopped fighting for Ukraine since day one of the invasion. He's everything that Trump and Putin aren't, which is why they resent him. Trump has long opposed supporting Ukraine.

    No one anticipated that WH ambush by Trump and Vance, so it's hard to blame a war-time leader for not immediately cowing and kissing the ring.

    Zelensky has since signaled that he is ready to sign what appears to be an agreement to pay back the US for support it freely chose to give.

    The ball is in Trump's court (or Europe's court to convince Trump) now. It's unlikely he'll change his position, but who knows.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,060 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Now it just needs Australia to wake up from it's cozy ANZUS fantasy and realise it needs them too, and we can have that five nation coalition I have mentioned several times that all need nukes in a hurry: Ukraine, Australia, Japan, South Korea and Taiwan. Seems to me a no brainer to do most of it in Australia.

    Speaking of nukes, I finished off my conspiracy theory/scenario and posted it:

    Post edited by cnocbui on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,308 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Russia would only use peace to rearm and regroup and attack NATO, Poland and the Baltics being the biggest target.

    How are people believing this? There is being mutual deterrence in place since like 1950 and while it's not great nobody has actually been crazy enough to mess with it. So now Russia cant wait to get the world blown up? This makes zero sense regardless how often our brain dead 'leaders' keep repeating it. Their motivation is entirely different. Ursula cant wait to funnel another 800 billion of tax money into private coffers. But…look the other way, they make us do it. Its so clumsy and obvious its almost laughable.

    But yet people are lapping this up despite zero plausibility.

    Post edited by CalamariFritti on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,006 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    It takes a strong leader to even give Trump and Vance the time of day considering what they did. This isn't politics, it's national survival. The country is being invaded.

    It's a bitter pill to swallow, but the world understands. Apart from his core and a swath of low information people in the US very few people are with Trump on this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,596 ✭✭✭McFly85


    Smart statement by Zelensky. I don’t believe Trump has any interest in providing a lasting peace to Ukraine but let everyone see that Trump is siding with Putin despite having no reason to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,550 ✭✭✭Deub


    Your post reminds me of the state of public transportation in Ireland. They don’t want to invest in light rail (except Dublin) because there isn’t enough traffic now but planning permissions for estates are refused because not enough roads to take the traffic as there is no proper public transportation.

    It is the same for military. Why invest money in building factories and most importantly R&D when you are not sure the need is there?

    However, now that the need is there, I hope we will see EU countries investing to build and develop next generations of military equipments. If they succeed, they could take a big share from US. Think about Nokia. They were number one by a large margin and look at them now.

    Why would Trump take this risk? we will never know.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,006 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    » There is being usual deterrence in place since like 1950 and while it's not great nobody has actually been crazy enough to mess with it.

    USSR invaded Hungary in 1956. Invaded Czechoslovakia via the Warsaw Pact to crush uprisings in 1968. Georgia in the late nineties, and then again a portion in 2008. Chechnya in the 90's. Annexed Crimea, sparked a proxy war in Eastern Ukraine and then the full invasion 3 years ago.

    On paper NATO is strong, but if Trump were to pull the US out, and NATO were to fracture at all, then indeed the Baltics are really exposed. Putin wants a land-bridge to Kalingrad and has constantly threatened them. He will never stop. He is systematically probing and destabilizing Europe - it's all for a reason.

    It's why, e.g. Poland is massively rearming. They know that whilst NATO/EU might look "strong" on paper now, we can't know what the situation will be in 3 years, 5 years, 10 years, etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,451 ✭✭✭zv2


    They know they are getting a kickback from the American public so they double down on criticizing Zelenskyy to distract from their own appalling behavior.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,451 ✭✭✭zv2


    There was no war in Europe since the previous war. And after that there was no war until the next war. Then there was war. That's basically the way history goes. Just because there was no war does not mean there will be no war.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,647 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Yes I think it was good. I'm not seeing the supposed climbdown that many are talking about. He has already put a more useful condition on further steps (a cease-fire, no air strikes) than anything being offered by the Americans.

    Now its up to the world to see this perfectly reasonable request being accepted, or more likely, rejected by Trump and Putin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,308 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    You cant be serious comparing those. Most of those examples/countries were behind the iron curtain within the Warsaw pact and they werent invasions more quelling civil unrest. They werent actually fighting local army. Even the examples after 1990 are completely different as in they were not in NATO.

    It makes zero sense saying those would be examples for Russia wanting to invade Poland or the Baltics now. It is an entirely different situation. Plus what would be Russia gaining from invading Poland? Zilch. And the risk would be insane. Again zero plausibility except in Ursulas (and this thread's) parallel universe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,332 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Post WW2 deterrence (incl. nuclear deterrence) in Europe, which rests heavily on the US military, is looking somewhat shaky, no?

    Think I would expect the EU and our current leaders and Ukraine, to use any new funding well.

    There is in particular a large incentive present for Ukraine not to waste support, esp. military related support.

    I fear I wouldn't trust any politician you would ever vote for to run a bath, let alone make kind of decisions the unlucky ones in charge at the present may be faced with - lol!

    I wouldn't trust you yourself with a EUR5 note!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,060 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Eutelsat has almost tripled its value in recent days, in the perspective that Ukraine may have to replace Starlink with OneWeb.

    The value of the French satellite group's shares has nearly tripled since Friday's close after the confrontation between Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and US President Donald Trump called into question the future of Starlink in Ukraine.

    Eutelsat shares rose more than 60% on Tuesday, another massive rise, after rising 68% the day before. Recent geopolitical developments have brought closer the prospect of OneWeb satellites replacing Elon Musk's Starlink in Ukraine.

    "Shares are on the rise from the perspective of the Ukrainian military's contract change from Starlink to Eutelsat's OneWeb, and generally due to OneWeb being the best alternative similar to Starlink," Stephane Beyazian, an analyst at Oddo BHF, told Reuters.

    France is hands down the most impressive country in Europe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,152 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    what is totally astonishing to me is how astonishingly swiftly MAGA pivoted to follow him. There seems not a trace of the old residual suspicion of Russian actions and intentions. Atrocities, rapes, murdering dissidents, bombing hospitals, kidnapping children, maltreating POWs..they've all been shrugged off as easily as if they were Trumps felonies. its as if Trump has re-wired the brains of millions of Americans. It makes Jim Jones and David Koresh look like amateurs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,152 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    Yes, our problem. Where do you think these refugees are going to go?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,816 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,512 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    When did Trump give Ukraine the javelins that Zelensky referred to? Was that not Biden?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,209 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    the gas thing is and by total coincidence, our neighbour over there is, like myself a sailor, and just happens to have a 41ft cruising yacht so I’ve earmarked that as 1 possible escape route…

    Realistically though the only route out will be over water somehow so the plan would be try to get onto any boat heading west…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,016 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    Putin is not to be trusted. Whatever agreement is signed, isn't worth the paper it's written on. Look at the Budapest memorandum of 1994.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,006 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    2018 and 2019 the US under Trump sold a few hundred to Ukraine. Even this there was muck involved, Trump withheld aid to extort Ukraine regarding Biden



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,120 ✭✭✭Lirange



    Despite months of marionetting for Vlad by the prat in chief broad support in the US for assistance to Ukraine has been holding.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,451 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 866 ✭✭✭jams100


    Screenshot_20250304_210638_Bluesky.jpg

    Well, I guess he said he'd be a dictator before the elections, Americans are stupid.

    Europe really have to start talking less and acting more, no more messing around.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 940 ✭✭✭JPCN1


    The Poles are ready and would mince the Russians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,350 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    So why does Z now want to give minerals to usa now? Doesn't trump want to cede land to Russia? Why not just stick with europe who I assume wouldn't want to cede any land and wouldn't want any payment for help? Hard to keep up with it all.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,865 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    astonished he’s still alive. Solidarity matches back in the 1980s are the first international news story I have a clear memory of.

    because retaining American military support , well, trumps everything else given the pass which Ukraine finds itself. Doubt he gives a toss about the minerals…



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