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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,615 ✭✭✭swampgas


    There is no "deal" that can be done that can be trusted, as far as Trump and Putin are concerned. Trump has spent a lifetime in business shafting anyone he can in every way possible. You can only trust him to try to shaft you. Putin signs agreements and uses them to buy time, as soon as it suits him he claims the other side has broken the deal in some way and invades/attacks/whatever all over again.

    What's worse, it's not just Trump and Putin as lying, evil bastards to be dealt with separately - it seems obvious to me that there is collusion between them. Having TASS in the oval office for the ambush on Zelenskyy, Trump repeating Putin's propaganda, pulling the cybersecurity resources tackling Russian hackers, and much more - we MUST assume that Trump and Putin have an arrangement of sorts to put the squeeze on Europe. Trump is digging Putin out of a hole, and he's only getting started.

    I don't know if it will ever get so far as the USA actually attacking EU countries directly (heaven forbid), but just by cooperating with Russia, removing sanctions, opening trade with Russia, and being obstructive with anything NATO related, Trump can make life very difficult for us. And I would not be looking to China for any help either, they will happily let us go under, do a deal with Trump on Taiwan, or just take it anyway, and then look to see what other bits of the world they can grab while everyone else is busy.

    We have Fico and Orban inside the EU but behaving as Kremlin agents, difficult decisions are needed to protect ourselves from treachery from the likes of them too.

    If we want to prepare for worst case scenarios, we need to start now, and anyone talking about waiting for a deal to emerge, or waiting for a peace deal to be done, is just playing into Putin's hands.

    That's my take on it, anyway…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,184 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    The problem with Europe's proposal is that they require Russia's agreement as well otherwise a peacekeeping force can not be placed in Ukraine.

    Even if Trump did an about turn and backed Europe's proposals for European peacekeepers with a US contingency plan I'm not sure it's even likely the Russians would agree to that.

    If they don't agree to it, what then?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,006 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Everything requires Putin's agreement.

    It's his war, he can stop it at any moment. Or not.

    Europe is dealing with the reality of the war (Ukraine must be increasingly supported) and the reality of any potential peace (at a minimum it must provide Ukraine with the security that Putin won't just use the time to rearm and re-attack)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,740 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    The only option then for Ukraine and Europe is to maintain the pressure on Russia until they run out of money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 186 ✭✭tarvis


    Trump on the telly again tonight - usual verbal diarrhoea. Can’t help thinking his hogging of the headlines is also about taking the spotlight off GAZA where Israel is once more blocking Aid and destroying Palestinian homes in the West Bank.
    Trump knows the media and knows it cannot multi task - he wants fairness and no people dying -

    except in Gaza.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,615 ✭✭✭swampgas


    I don't think Russia will agree, they will pretend to discuss, and pretend to do a deal, all the while rebuilding for another attack. The answer to your question, "What then?", is we keep doing what we are doing now, only more so - keep supporting and supplying Ukraine with the means to push Russia back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,439 ✭✭✭thereiver


    Ukraine,s only hope is they ,ll get help from Europe missiles tanks or planes and there might be some peace negotiations done by some European coalition with Ukraine present .Trump is completely pro Putin he always wants access to minerals that are necessary for tech companies and other corporations.He despises Europe as weak and obsessed with regulation of tech company's .trump is going to benefit greatly by his pro crypto currency stance which is not line with eu policy's.

    I think there,ll have to be peace negotiations as Ukraine has not got the resources or manpower to continue the war for years .Russia is able to evade sanctions to some degree by various methods .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,196 ✭✭✭Addmagnet


    That has a whiff of victim blaming to it.

    As a previous poster has said, the Ukrainians were trying to evacuate, Russian forces were killing them as they were trying to do so.

    If a Russian soldier sees a civilian the easiest way to not kill them would have been to not target them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,212 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Putin will not agree to any ceasefire as long as his meat waves are slowly gaining him ground, however painfully slow they are trudging along….

    Trump is therefore being hostile towards Zelenskyy & Europe as it’s simply a side show to distract/delay the actual talks that will inevitably have to take place.

    Once Putin has exhausted all his resources and has nothing left to throw at Ukraine, he’ll then be ready to ‘talk’, and at that point Trump will completely change his tune and install himself as the peacemaker/dealmaker extraordinaire who’ll suddenly be less hostile to everyone involved to give the impression he’s finally ready to come round to conventional wisdom/common sense…

    In reality though it’ll be just buying Putin time to restock whatever he can, and when the talks inevitably break down (Russia refusing to budge on wanting everything), it’ll be back to fighting as is, but Trump will have reason to pull all U.S. support because ‘Ukraine don’t want peace’ (they might pull some support prior to all of the above to try and allow Russian progress rates to increase before the ‘draw the lines point’ that talks might deliver… a lifting of sanctions will also help Russia gain more territory before talks happen..)

    Either way Trump will do whatever Putin needs him to do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭political analyst


    It's no worse than the relatives of those who were murdered by Hamas on Oct 7th blaming the IDF for failing to prevent the bloodshed on the scale on which it actually took place.

    The Ukrainian authorities should have declared Mariupol an open city - the French did it with Paris in 1940, McArthur did it with Manila in 1942. There must have been plenty of roads by which to exit Mariupol before it was surrounded.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,740 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    if that's what's coming time to introduce conscription and go on a total war footing. A war on two fronts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,362 ✭✭✭Field east


    if Trump wants to stop the war and having ‘ fallen out’ with VZ /ukr , and all along playing the role as peacemaker, given the current position he can do this very quickly by lifting up the phone and tell Putin to withdraw to the 2014 border or ‘ all hell will break loose’.

    OR he might retire from the peace making role and help Ru Quickly finish the war by supplying Ru with the means and agreement to do so while cutting off ALL assistance to Ukr

    The above scenario is partially based on the ‘I’m fast losing patience with VZ’

    T is so mercurial , temperamental and unpredictable that he is liable to do anything



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,455 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


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    Some good news it seems

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,301 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    That coveted deal is not what it seems. There are not much rare earth minerals in ukraine and half of what is in there is in territories which ukraine lost for the moment. Whole war is about minerals and Donbas and surrounding oblasts 3 of which are gone now is the key to most of them. That is why the war is dragging on - ukraine wont accept that they lost them and russia wont give them back. It was all about the money from the start of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,836 ✭✭✭Nermal


    You didn't answer the question - in what terms would you describe the role of the US in these events? You can't realisticaly say it had no role, given what Nuland and McCain have contributed to the public record. Disinterested observer?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭political analyst


    There's no indication of Trump lifting US sanctions on Russia or of Congress repealing the Magnitsky Act.

    In an article in the Irish Independent (20 February 2025) Owen Matthews acknowledges that Trump's suggestion that Zelensky was somehow to blame for starting the war is obnoxious but argues that at least the Trump team isn't expressing foolish, empty pieties.

    Matthews wrote:

    "NATO membership for Ukraine? Was never going to happen - not politically, not military, not even legally. Reconquest? You want it, you are going to have to take it. And Europeans - please spare us your histrionics about Neville Chamberlain in Munich. If Europe had been serious about sanctioning Russia, it would have stopped buying Russian gas, which even now still accounts for 20% of the EU's supply, and growing. Anyone still talking about pushing out the Kremlin's troops is merely virtue signalling and writing cheques in someone else's blood."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,080 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    I think you don't understand how quickly things happened in the south of Ukraine after Russia invaded.

    Russia invaded on the 24th of February. On the 28th of February, Mariupol was surrounded. A day or two later, all major towns and roads leading to Mariupol had fallen. At that point Mariupol was 80km from the Ukrainian frontline.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,006 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Open support for the protests (much in line with most EU governments). Support for NGOs and democratic movements over the years within the region itself. And some diplomatic overtures.

    Light support role basically.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,702 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    No indication?

    It was being reported as you wrote this piece of nonsense.

    "So-called options papers are often drafted by officials working on sanctions, but the White House’s specific request for one in recent days underscores Trump and his advisers’ willingness to ease Russian sanctions as part of a potential deal with Moscow."

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/03/trump-sanctions-russia

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 837 ✭✭✭junkyarddog


    https://bsky.app/profile/maks23.bsky.social/post/3ljiupdj66k24

    Novoshakhtinsk Oil Products Processing Plant

    Something is burning!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,006 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    The war is not really about minerals.

    It's about imperialism for Putin. He started with Crimea (which he was obsessed with reabsorbing into Russia), started the proxy war in Donbas so that joining NATO would be difficult for Ukraine - when that wasn't making much headway, he launched the full invasion thinking he would have the whole country in days.

    Minerals/resources aren't nothing, but they aren't the chief reason why he invaded.

    The war drags on because Putin is still grinding and making inches per day. He doesn't care how many die, etc he just knows that once he can hold territory then it's Russian forever, protected by his nukes.

    He has never once offered a ceasefire, stopped bombing, offered a single overture - any "peace" effort so far has been totally an act. It works, people fall for it. There is the possibility he may exchange the war for a tempting deal and new found partnership with Trump - but so far he hasn't done anything in that regard and the Trump administration seem to be making all the concessions in that regard, not to mention becoming Kremlin mouthpieces without much prompt.

    As predicted if Trump doesn't get something with Putin - no matter what Putin does, Trump will blame Ukraine/Europe. As evidenced by that happening already.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,466 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    America can’t access the other mines until there’s peace- Shirley it’s in Americas interest to get peace so they can drill baby drill?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,701 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    First of all the Mineral Agreement should have been signed in Kyiv, not US. It's a Ukrainian deal, sign it in Ukraine if the loud noises can be tolerated by JD Vance, a man who brags about being a veteran. but never saw any combative actions whatsoever , he was a correspondent, a military journalist a public affairs specialist , ie all talk, and no action, a telephone tough guy. Reality neither him or Trump have the balls to go to Kyiv to sign that deal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 492 ✭✭phester28


    From what I know there were pro russian generals who sold out and left Russia into these area.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 817 ✭✭✭Exiled Rebel


    I'm pretty sure we have or had 2000 javelins at the start of the war that were meant for destruction due to getting near their use by date. Cathal Berry was calling for the government to donate them to Ukraine via Britain wink wink.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,184 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Trump has halted all weapon sales to Ukraine and US stockpile transfers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,115 ✭✭✭bilbot79


    Next bit of the masterplan is on place. 100bn investment of Taiwan Semiconductor to manufacture chips in Arizona.

    The rare earths will come from Ukraine and be shared with Russia. Taiwan will be abandoned to China. Russia, China and US will live in harmony, ruled by dictators and their oligarchy.

    Everyone who wants freedom will pay for it in their insignificance.

    What a sad situation for the world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,169 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    Has he? Can you post a genuine source to that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,008 ✭✭✭✭bilston




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,455 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard




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