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What Games Prove Graphics Aren't Everything

  • 27-02-2025 12:03AM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,398 ✭✭✭


    Was chatting to a fried of mine who had an Amiga 500 we played a lot in the early 90s.

    Some of best games didnt need to be high resolution or anything amazing to look at. Sometimes a game gets the playability so nailed it doesn't really matter. My picks would be:



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 53,286 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Warlords for Atari 2600. Genuinely one of the all time great couch multiplayer games.

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    Also my girlfriend's six year old nephew would rather play Bubble Bobble than any new game and I can't blame him:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,629 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Animal Well is the first that comes to mind for me. Very pixel-art, very basic, but there are intricacies in its design that elevate the art beyond just graphics and unveil a surprising amount of depth and intention in the design. The use of colours and art throughout affords it an incredible amount of charm and wonder, and it's all complimented by gameplay which is seemingly simplistic but encourages a lot of experimentation and exploration to uncover the real depths of the game.

    I think some people might be put off by a small, pixel-art type game, but man the joy this game brings when you get into it and start to slowly uncover more and more secrets… there are layers to this game that the most 4K 60fps games struggle to achieve.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,433 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Cannon fodder



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭Jacovs


    Roblox

    My kids have access to a vast library of PS games and PC games, but they would rather play Roblox with their friends. Suits me fine, dont need a top of the range pc to play it, or any pc at all really.

    But I cant believe they would rather play it than any of the other games, like 12 year old me would kick their asses.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 30,596 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    IMO something like Animal Well doesn't really fit in this criteria. Yes, it's 2D pixel art, but I think it's some of the greatest and most characterful 2D pixel art ever put into a game. Overflowing with artistry and technical wizardry within its two-dimensional, lo-fi confines. I don't think it would be as good as it is if the art wasn't as sharp as it is.

    Something that stands out for me would be something like Stephen's Sausage Roll. Not without its little art design flourishes (they nailed the sausages), but what looks pretty basic on the surface masks one of the most fiendish and deep puzzle games I've played.

    Or something like Oikospiel 1, which has actively broken, chaotic, abrasive art design, and is still one of the more hypnotic interactive experiences I've had.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,422 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    This is a bit of a tricky one as some low resolution games have better design and artistry than new games.

    If we're coming from an 'old games look bad' point of view and ignore that they can in fact look great, my vote goes to Robotron.

    Recently really got into it here during one of our high score challenges and it plays better IMO than any twin stick shooter that has come since.

    Released in 1982 but feels like it could have been made by an indie company yesterday. 1982 visuals but still looks brilliant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,629 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    "IMO something like Animal Well doesn't really fit in this criteria. Yes, it's 2D pixel art, but I think it's some of the greatest and most characterful 2D pixel art ever put into a game."

    I was a bit hesitant to use it as my example for that same reason, but I think a lot of people tend to dismiss pixel-art type games, and especially ones where the design just on the face of it can look very simplistic. I mean your character is just some non-descript orange blob. The dogs and much of the foreground details are monocoloured and simplistic. But that all adds to the charm and design of the game. So I suppose it comes down to graphics vs design.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,433 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Starwing on the super Nintendo is about as graphically minimalistic as you can get but it is so much fun too.

    Ive only played the emulated version though so I dont know what the cartridge experience is like as I believe most emulators have difficulty with aspects of the Super FX technology?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Yvonne007




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 30,596 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Yeah I agree a lot of people write off pixel art games, but there are a lot of pixel art games, and many with amazing art. I wouldn't call a classic 2D Mario game basic or minimalist, for example, even though they're technologically primitive - they're again full of character and iconic images. You could file most great games pre-3D era under that category.

    Whereas I reckon games with truly minimalist or basic art and incredible gameplay are a rarer beast, though again you'd find plenty of them in 70s/80s gaming. I would consider something more modern like VVVVVV proper minimalist - has some unique surrealist flourishes to add character, but the technology used is as basic as you get.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,033 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Portal



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,398 ✭✭✭jj880


    Never heard of this. Looks amazing and it's in the extra catalogue. Will have to try it.

    Youve reminded me of 1 of my favourite more recent pixel art games for pure playability - Invisigun Reloaded

    A gem of a game that pulls you in for both mutliplayer and single player.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,398 ✭✭✭jj880


    Gorilla Tag on VR is a hit with my son. It looks like it could run on a potato but we have 2 headsets and Ive played it a few times with him. The appeal is instant and it is a lot of fun for that age group. He has over 500 euro worth of top VR games including HL Alyx, The Walking Dead 1 + 2, Vertigo 2, Vendetta Forever etc. and prefers Gorilla Tag and a new one called Animal Company.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,103 ✭✭✭DoctorEdgeWild


    Papers Please - was the one that sprung to mind immediately. Such a fantastic game.

    Championship/Football Manager games in general don't need to ever bother with graphics as they are a completely different animal. Although they do put some efforts in with decent menus, nice GUI, backgrounds etc.

    Sensible Soccer is a great shout. Although that type of pixel art is an amazing world by itself, I don't think anyone would say SWOS really needed to bother with looks.

    An interesting recent one was SUPERHOT, but might not really be considered as part of it's appeal was it's style.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,487 ✭✭✭Dave_The_Sheep


    Battle Brothers is one recent one. Cracking game with loads of build depth and replayability.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 53,286 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Emulators can emulate it really well now. You can even up the framerate in some cases.

    Starwing is indeed great. Held back by a bad framerate but it's designed around it so holds up.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 53,286 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    A lot of people are listing pixel art games that look gorgeous and have good art design.

    I've not played it but heard Cruelty Squad is a great immersive sim despite the jank core graphics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,062 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    Breakout and Pong can still be easily played today without needing graphical improvements.

    Or for a recent (Google tells me 2010 but it can't be that long, surely) game, Thomas Was Alone was pretty basic.

    Didn't get too far into it, but Baba is You would also be an example.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 adeolaad


    Ubisoft projects.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,436 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    A game I played a lot in my distant youth was snipes - IIRC the first ever game playable over a network. Novell developers were told they needed to come up with something to show that they'd succeeded in getting clients to talk to each other and someone knocked up the game in no time.

    Was perfectly playable standalone in DOS.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,398 ✭✭✭jj880


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    Animal Well is pixel art but it looks and plays like a dream. The soundtrack / fx are great also. Im glad you did include it here @Penn . Im hooked on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,665 ✭✭✭Mehaffey1


    RedCard Soccer 2003

    Bishi Bashi Arcade



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 53,286 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Everyone mentioning gorgeous pixel art games.

    Now for something truly ugly and yet also one of the all time greats:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,629 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    I mentioned before how we had a game on our first ever PC at home, but I never knew how to play it properly, never knew what was going on, and after a while couldn't remember the name of it. Then when roguelikes started to become popular, I wondered what "Rogue" was, looked it up and it was that game. Well, this version of it:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,629 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Great stuff! Some people might dismiss is because of how it looks at a superficial level, but it's actually a stunningly beautiful game with regards design, colour, and just all-round charm, and the gameplay is so much fun and rewarding. Enjoy!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 537 ✭✭✭Murt2024


    Super Nintendo sega Genesis when I was dead broke man I couldn't picture this



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 53,286 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    That's nethack. How could you not tell the difference!

    Seriously though there's so many rogue likes and spin offs that it would be hard to tell which it was but nethack was the most popular in the 90s and 2000s.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,016 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    Slay the Spire. Pure gameplay.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,422 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    I used to play a lot of Nethack 20 years ago when I worked entry level tech jobs.

    Nobody in the office had a clue I was playing a game.



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