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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    I beg to differ, the majority of people in this country are not racist, have sympathy for those less fortunate then themselves and want to live and let live. The majority of people in this country do not go out protesting against minorities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    Is the mount street resident association racist? They’re taking legal action against the government

    Mod Edit: Warned for trolling

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77


    No, but the government think a garden shed is suitable for young irish people.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    If you're referring to the loosening of planning around garden cabins, I would imagine they are reacting to the fact that people are already living in such accomodation, and rather then throw them out, which is happening currently, the loosening will allow those that wish, to live in them.

    I haven't seen anything suggesting that people SHOULD live in them, just that they CAN if they wish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77




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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭_Puma_


    "what is vetting anyway" ~Michael Martin, leaders questions 26/02/25

    The true legacy that he craves as the wheels further fall off this country due to it's insane immigration policy



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,026 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    Well obviously they are — the end of the global Covid shutdown coinciding with the Ukraine war has caused an explosion of asylum seekers across Europe since early 2022. This kind of thing has almost always led to opposition — where there is an influx of asylum seekers or refugees, there will be an influx of opposition to it. Where there are no refugees and no asylum seekers, there will be no opposition to refugees or asylum seekers.

    That is the natural course of things. The influx of asylum seekers to Ireland has and will continue to force us (and other nations experiencing the same thing) to rethink and reshape our system for handling this issue in a way that balances humanitarian concerns with our own self-interest. But that's not enough for a lot of people of course — who resolutely appear to believe that this topic can only ever be approached with alarmism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77


    Is our homelessness record alarmist?

    Is our appalling health service alarmist?

    Is our prisons being 10% over capacity alarmist?

    Is the 700m euro CH that will cost nearly 4 times that alarmist?

    Is our insane energy prices, way above the EU average normal?

    Are spiralling rents and unaffordable housing alarmist?



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,032 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Why do you keep repeating this? I haven’t seen anyone call them racist.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,032 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Your reaction to them is alarmist. Facts can’t be alarmist.

    Saying things like “we need a monumental recession” is an extreme reaction. A ridiculously extreme reaction, based on being alarmist

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,321 ✭✭✭prunudo


    We don't need a recession, but we do need a reset. The government and the civil service are throwing our money around like confetti. Always quick to hike taxes, but never wanting to reign in their spending.

    This is evident in the asylum industry, where money in no option and waste is substantially. Everyone sees it, but we can't report here as its deemed anecdotal. Until jojournalists in the msm start reporting it, we must really on gript or x accounts like Nick Delehanty to keep exposing it. Someday, hopefully, a majority wake up to it and kick back.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    🤣🤣

    Still trying to get someone to fall for this gotcha moment.

    Mod Edit: Warned for trolling



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 57,978 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Mod: RobbieTheRobber and Lotus Flower both given a few days off the forum to cop on and post normally rather than trying to bait posters. No need to quote their posts for a bit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,522 ✭✭✭enricoh


    No alarmism, just our idiot politicians decided to pay full dole while providing free hotel accommodation, free meals, travel pass, medical card to Ukrainians and as a result they were 10 times more likely to pick Ireland over anywhere else in the EU til they changed it last year. Now we've around 100k of them.

    Our idiot politicians decided to opt in, whereas Denmark opted out of some eu refugee scheme. Our numbers of asylum seekers shot up , Denmarks collapsed. They also declined to put Nigeria on the safe countries list which is on many EU countries list. We have 83% Roma unemployed here, legally we have to take in EU citizens for 3 or 6 months n look after them , if they can't support themselves we can send them packing but we don't.

    Go get that log cabin kids, next year we may allow tents in the back garden!

    With Donald throwing tariffs on EU goods our days of throwing billions at the refugee industry may be coming to an end. Hands up, anyone for a diversity tax?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,026 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    I'm not quite sure what you're getting at here — are you saying these things are because of immigration or are you just expressing that these things are bad?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,819 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    No alarmism, just our idiot politicians decided to pay full dole while providing free hotel accommodation, free meals, travel pass, medical card to Ukrainians and as a result they were 10 times more likely to pick Ireland over anywhere else in the EU til they changed it last year. Now we've around 100k of them.

    That is pretty much alarmism TBF.

    There is less 80,000 Ukrainian's in the State. Over 30,000 have moved on. Either back to Ukraine or elsewhere in Europe and the world.

    Out of those 80k, nearly 24k are working. Over 30k of them are either in education or training courses.

    Remarkable given the majority are women, child and the elderly.

    Puts some of our own to shame.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,026 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    Well, as I tend to find on here, there are a lot of people on Boards depriving this country of their talent who could have handled the largest displacement of people in Europe since the Second World War — also coinciding with the ending of global Covid shutdowns and the release of pent up demand for migration that followed it — far better than the "idiot politicians". Unfortunately, they have yet to step forward and show us how it's done.

    In any event, I'm not sure that in the years to come, when our sons and daughters are marrying the sons of daughters of Ukrainians who came here and they themselves are having children born here, there will be anyone left who harbours much anger towards Ireland trying (and yes, overexerting itself) to help a fellow European people who were scattered by an imperialist dictator and his thuggish military apparatus. We might even take pride in it — provided of course the apocalypse of Ukrainian refugees has not caused our island to sink beneath the waves.

    Beyond that, there doesn't really seem to be anybody who doesn't actually believe that our experiences since 2022 should be a wake up call [to the sheer utter horror of the fact] that we are now seen as a wealthy, safe, prosperous place to live and — yes — this demands that we rethink and tighten our migration and asylum processes. But people still seem to feel the need to tell everyone what everyone pretty much already knows.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,325 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,325 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Would make you worried as a homosexual in Ireland seeing mass uncontrolled migration from said African countries. Imo there shouldn't be mass immigration into Ireland from countries who are very extreme on the religious spectrum whether that be Islam or Christianity.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    What do you think? Seeing as you're posting it on a thread about immigration, you must believe it's immigration?

    Personally, I believe the rise of our own OCG, who deal in drugs, is the main problem. There is a lack of police on the streets, and a reluctance by the judiciary to impose custodial sentences, along with the lack of prison space. Then there is the wide, getting wider divide between the haves and the have nots, those young people who see criminals and drug dealers living the high life, see crime as a choice for a good life. There are many more problems, but it's probably off topic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock


    Those organised drugs gangs existed in the 1980's, 1990's and 2000's though. The General, The Viper, The Felloni's, The Monk/Hutches, The Westies et al. And the Provo's too.

    The Kinahans are just the most recent iteration of that trend.

    I agree with you on the rest, though.

    There has always been an "edge" to Dublin, even when I was a teenager going in there in the 1990's. Muggings with syringes, muggings with knives etc.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    I never mentioned the Kinihans. There has, of course always been crime and crime gangs in Ireland, now There are a large number of OCG operating at an international level. A lot of the old provos just moved to ordinary crime. They have been getting more dangerous for decades, which is one reason it's more dangerous now.

    I agree there has always been 'dodgy ' areas, but on the whole I don't find Dublin a dangerous city. If the articles were linked we could read what it actually says.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,819 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    What is the source of the jpeg?

    Can you link to the articles please?

    It may answer your question.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,032 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I don’t think there should be mass immigration from anywhere into Ireland AND I’m realistic about our obligations.

    We should process asylum claims quicker and deport immediately if they fail. For the asylum claims that are accepted we should do everything to integrate these people into Irish society.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,032 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    here’s my reply:


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    this is a map of countries where it is illegal to be a homosexual. Islamic and Christian counties.

    Both are terrible. The west is ok, the rest of the world isn’t.

    Source

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBTQ_rights_by_country_or_territory

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 57,978 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Mod: Can we leave the off topic bickering out please? I have deleted a number of posts along these lines



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,032 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    can you share the sources please? These pictures mean nothing.

    I can post a picture that says “Brian is the world’s greatest lover”, but it doesn’t mean anything without context.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,512 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    A map without a legend isn't really much use, is it?

    Presuming blue is legal and orange/red is illegal (or worse), then the majority of the illegal countries are in northern Africa (largely Muslim) and the Middle East (exclusively Muslim).

    And meanwhile I've shown definite attitude variances between the cultures in Europe, and also a link to assaults and other crime.

    Your point was "The Muslims are no angels, but don’t pretend the Christians are much better." - you've not shown anything to either back up your argument, or refute my counter-argument that yes, the Christians are much better in terms of gay rights.



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