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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,410 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Putin won't stop. He never stops.

    No money in it for Trump, to stop Putin. None. Putin knows how to play trump.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,277 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Seems like a deal has been agreed between Trump and Zelensky for minerals, gas and oil. Sounds like everyone is happy and is expected to be signed in a couple of weeks.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,363 ✭✭✭Field east


    Have you ever worked with a psychopath/s ?. If not, then if you ever get the opportunity to work DIRECTLY with them your response might be very different - make sure you get up ‘ close and friendly’



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 521 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    "They removed all the clauses that did not suit us, in particular about the $500 billion."

    they probably agreed to rights for minerals in occupied Donbass and Crimea which after all is Ukraine, just infected by occupying rodents at this time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,458 ✭✭✭zv2


    Horses are high maintenance and they don't have the staying power that humans have.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,458 ✭✭✭zv2


    I think Trump is more of an infantile narcissist than a sociopath.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,456 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Lol

    Gkm9NQ_XIAAdASw.jpeg

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,717 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Mineral deal done

    But there is no minerals, all fiction

    Zelensky does it again 😅



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,049 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Wait, I'm a bit confused about this whole minerals thing.

    On the one hand, I've heard people say that most of the minerals are on Ukrainian territory currently occupied by Russian forces, but if that's the case, then why is Zelensky prepared to sign a deal on resources that he doesn't control? Is there many more mineral deposits in free Ukraine or is Zelensky just saying that he's not going to protest the Russian mining of these minerals on occupied territory?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,717 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Trump is like ask for 500 billion

    Even though I only want 150 in reality

    Ukraine begs, will you take 300 billion

    Trump is like, I'm a genius, art of the deal baby



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,875 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


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    You no mean these type minerals? Hey I learn my English from rural Irish guy…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,010 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Hints of the deal seem to revolve around reconstruction rather than security - as in minerals for reconstruction. Which would probably work in conjunction with a peace deal.

    Zelensky possibly taking a trip to DC sometime in the next week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,208 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    Hmmm … I think Zelenskyy is crafty enough to sell Trump a pup. And Trump is stupid enough to buy one from him.

    As long as Ukraine isn't on the hook for all their usuable resources in the western part of the country, it might make sense for Zelenskyy to promise the mining rights to whatever's under the Donbas' soil if the Mericans are prepared to move in and dig it up. Naturally they might first have to push the Russians out beyond the '22 border, and let the Ukrainian security services have free run of the place, so as to avoid accidentally being targetted by drones. Oh, and also clear all the unexploded ordnance from the roads, fields and buildings so as to be able to access the various sites and set up operations …

    On the other hand, AFAIK we haven't seen or heard details of anything to do with this plan from sources other than the US, which these days is about as reliable as RT or Tass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,717 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    I'm sure this deal is for oil, gas etc also, not just minerals . What ever can turn a dime for Trump

    Money is money, regardless of how it's generated



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,132 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    There will be no minerals dug up in Ukraine in the next 4 years.

    Mark my words. This whole deal and plan is a shambles cooked up by Trump and Putin.

    Ukraine have been sold down the river.

    Russia will re organize and go again for the whole of Ukraine in a few years while Trump is still president.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,395 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    But what have Ukraine to lose. Ukraine won't sign this deal without getting something they want in return such as military aid. If America don't uphold their end Ukraine can pull out of it. Imo it will involve American aid continuing. It's currently paused because trump wants to force their hand into signing before resuming.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭omega man


    Sky reporting no security guarantee in deal. So Europe will have to step in and US benefits?! Trump will no doubt take all the credit. Hope more to it than reported ffs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,717 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Then Trump would go down in the history books as the most mindless, daft, birdbrainded President , not only in American, but the world.

    Of course this could be the case, if indeed Russia has a hold on Trump, and has tapes of him that could disgrace him publicly, with no defence whatsoever.

    It's what Russia does, invite big names to their country, wine them, dine them, give them all they desire, woman, girls, guys,boys, then record the whole thing for leverage somewhere down the line.

    It's a know fact they do this, and Trump did fall for the '' come to Moscow, we want to build a Trump Tower in Moscow, come please,'' and off he went



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,332 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    In summary it seems like a nothing (and so Ukraine will also gain nothing from it).

    The real meat of what is going on may be this budding US friendship with Russia. Don't think Trump gives a bollox about the war ending any more (if he ever did). I am a suspicious man and think his eye is on another prize.

    I mean VV Putin is much richer than Musk even (supreme ruler of the largest, most resource-cursed/blessed country on Earth). Think what he can do for the Trump dynasty.

    I expect the sanctions are going to end (but the war may not) and Russia's economy is going to get a big shot in the arm from Trump's America, and we know what the money will be used for (making weapons and creating piles of corpses in Ukraine).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,717 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    So plausible , and Trumps actions adds fuel to it



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,794 ✭✭✭yagan


    You mean Trump will get a shot in the arm. The USA is actually a rival to Russia in the lng and oil market.

    Sanctioning Russia actually benefitted US energy exporters a lot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,402 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Yes, Trump doesn't give a flying fig about the war or the casualties, nor is Europe or Ukraine remotely a priority for him. His reasons for wanting the war to end are strictly financial and how much he can earn out of the deal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭threeball


    Trump wouldn't care about something with a woman unless she was pegging him. My guess is it's got to do with kids. Given the stories surrounding him and Epstein, and his lusting after his own teenage daughter, it seems the most logical.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,332 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Trump cares about himself and his own wealth and power (and maybe his family members after that!).

    Benefitting the US and its people is a bit lower on the list of priorities (as we can all see with the craziness being unleashed right now).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 837 ✭✭✭junkyarddog


    https://bsky.app/profile/maks23.bsky.social/post/3lizws47q222y

    "Ukraine will get $350B, lots of military equipment, and the right to fight on…"

    So much for ending it Donald…….🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,785 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Welcome, but the right to fight on wasn't in his gift to 'give'. Ukraine always had that right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,395 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    It's still better to hear those words from trumps mouth then the recent bollox.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,132 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Don’t believe one word coming from his mouth.


    He will give Ukraine nothing.

    Post edited by Jinglejangle69 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,717 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    I think it's '' got 350B, lots of military Equipment and the right to fight'' not get, I know he said get, but he just phrased it that way. No way is Ukraine getting 350b off of Trump



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,717 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Trump announces a Gold Card, 5m and you can buy your way into American, with a path to citizenship . Again this sounds like it's for rich Russians , they will flood in, as spies, all paid for by the Kremlin



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