Saving Historic Wood lands on RMP structures across Ireland.

heratage11 · 22-02-2025 11:10PM

That logic won’t fly believe me.

10-10-20 · 22-02-2025 11:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123199992#Comment_123199992

And hypothetically I ask in jest - at what point is an embryonic seed then identified as a tree and afforded legal protection over the monument?

blackbox · 22-02-2025 11:16PM

Trees should be treated as a crop.

This will encourage people to grow them.

When they are harvested, a new crop is planted. They don't have to be monoculture or all mature at the same time.

If the law makes having trees a liability, nobody will want to plant them.

10-10-20 · 22-02-2025 11:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123200088#Comment_123200088

I don't agree - but that's the spectrum of opinions which define the entire basis of public debate. 🙂

Capt'n Midnight · 22-02-2025 11:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123199923#Comment_123199923

As I posted earlier there are exemptions. The rules for cutting down trees in a forest are very different to individual trees near pre-existing structures.

timmysimins68 · 23-02-2025 12:14AM

I was looking at a structure for sale recently in Kildare but it turns out it was protected. Got advice from a friend of mine in Meath who bought a protected structure ended up he couldn’t do anything with it he advised me to stay away from them because just end up being a liability. I believe the reason housing is so expensive today is because it’s almost impossible to build anything with all the new laws and regulations and I think the current infrastructure roads water sources electricity is at max capacity another reason why they don’t seem to approve one off builds anymore

timmysimins68 · 23-02-2025 12:24AM

I think that train has been on route for a while now. I know the green party have gotten pushback by the farming community but many aspects of their mission is relevant. Also FF have a past history that isn’t exactly clean in regards to zoning planning and the environment so it’s my belief that in order to change their approach and image they are heavily influenced and swayed by doing the right thing for the environment and in order for Ireland to get funding from the EU we have to follow the laws so in that aspect the government are really pushing all tings environmental! Overall I think it’s fair one has to really look at the whole Picture

after all we are in a climate crisis every citizen should be fighting to prevent any woodlands being destroyed we all have a vested interest for our survival air pollution control being at the forefront of it all.

Busman Paddy Lasty · 23-02-2025 12:51AM

Anyway, good luck to G the OP you are a brave person. I'm sure you are smart enough to not take advice from two "individuals" today 😉

heratage11 · 23-02-2025 03:28AM

This is one project we are working on preserving to ensure all the historic trees as part of the woodland are protected. We have observed protected Barn Owls on this site and conservation is ongoing

heratage11 · 23-02-2025 03:35AM

Just outside the town of Athlone on the Moydrum Castle Estate is a Historic Woodland currently a conservation area of huge significance. One of the original intents of the trees and woodland was to provide a cooling shelter effect to the Icehouse below. The site has not been touched in over 100 years National Monuments took over this site back in 2022 by awarding it with the highest classification in terms of protection under the RMP record.

This was a huge win for Moydrum Castle and Athlone as thus guarantees the future preservation of the wildlife and endangered species that reside in the historic woodland at Moydrum Castle. RMP numbers are as follows

WM029-052,

WM029-051

heratage11 · 23-02-2025 03:37AM

Just some of the amazing 100 year old woodland an ecological wounder

heratage11 · 23-02-2025 03:39AM

Another angle of vast woodland providing fantastic biodiversity and air quality Moydrum is famous for the Castle and woodland here

heratage11 · 23-02-2025 03:46AM

They say a picture paints a thousand words. The historic woodland at Moydrum will be preserved! The more research I do the more passionate I become, and I am working to preserve this along with other sites in Westmeath and beyond

heratage11 · 23-02-2025 04:05AM

A top down view shows the sheer significance of the woodland it's an ecological marvel

heratage11 · 23-02-2025 05:17AM

This the future of not only Moydrum but across Ireland this is what is being worked on

Cup · 23-02-2025 07:39AM

“Thanks for bringing this to our attention now as opposed to when we apply for planning. Those PDFs are unsearchable. Any chance you can show us the relevant sections? It would be very helpful.”

A little (completely) off topic, but I remember reading this thread when it started and being really interested and supportive. I don’t know about building but there’s a free tool called PDF24 that can OCR PDFs and make them readable. You can download and install the offline version if you’re dealing with any sensitive documents.

Just wanted to help a little - might be useful in the future - and wishing you the best of luck with your project!

Gloomtastic! · 23-02-2025 10:56AM

But it could be so much better…….😉

Gloomtastic! · 23-02-2025 11:06AM

For starters, you give it a brand.

Dr Turk Turkelton · 23-02-2025 11:17AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123200559#Comment_123200559

I know you've posted a few pics but this looks more like overgrown scrubland as opposed to woodland.

"ecological wounder(sic)" it most certainly is not.

Gloomtastic! · 23-02-2025 11:21AM

https://www.reddit.com/r/AbandonedPorn/s/73VwJD7Wuk

^ You share a very similar posting style to this guy. So many untruths in the post, obviously a vested interest.

System · 23-02-2025 12:14PM

This discussion was created from comments split from:

Building Ireland’s most eco-friendly house?

https://www.treecouncil.ie/trees-and-the-law

At the bottom there's a bit about cutting trees without a license. Most of the exemptions relate to building and 10m from public road.

A tree outside a forest, the removal of which is specified in a grant of planning permission, providing it was indicated on the lodged plans as being planned for removal as part of the application.

Please see https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1930/act/2/enacted/en/print.html and https://www.archaeology.ie/monument-protection for legislation re archaeology / monuments

For national monuments in the ownership or guardianship of the Minister or a Local Authority or which are subject to a preservation order or temporary preservation order, the prior written consent of the Minister is required for any works at or in proximity to the monument.

Emergency works can commence without approval.

Capt'n Midnight · 23-02-2025 12:30PM

Closing duplicate tread.

see

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058397754/moydrum-castle-walled-garden-ice-tower-historic-woodland-protected-site

tom1ie · 23-02-2025 12:51PM

Once the woodland isn’t within falling distances of electricity overhead lines it’s grand.
Timber within falling distances of an OHL needs to be removed and cut back- old woodland or not.

looksee · 23-02-2025 12:58PM

Heratage11, I think you are being a bit misleading with your claims of expertise. I fully applaud your interest in the whole topic but you need to do a bit more study before you make statements.

In your other thread, as Gloomtastic pointed out, you have spelled heritage as heratage, which does not suggest a close familiarity with the subject. However, that is a detail.

You are conflating numerous sources - the COP26 you mention is an EU climate change project, it is nothing to do with ancient woodland or historical sites. There is of course local regulation - quite properly - about historical sites but your comments float between these regulations and EU proposals. There is also local regulation - again, quite properly - about preservation of trees and permissions to cut them. You cannot drift from one to another and make up regulations.

Can you give a link to the specific rulings by COP26 that govern tree management in the way you seem to suggest? I can only find goals, objectives and aims.

Capt'n Midnight · 23-02-2025 01:17PM

Thankfully we've moved on from the days when a brown envelope could convince a local councillor to lobby to get an An Taisce refusal overturned under Section 30.

But it can be hard to see the trees for the woods. Well established trees in an urban setting impact more people than isolated ones in rural ones. Dublin city will have lots of fun as the trees along the quays are getting towards the end of their lives and people were upset about cutting down the ones along Griffith Avenue.

heratage11 · 23-02-2025 05:24PM

thankfully thanks to the Mahon Tribunal we have also moved on from the days where a brown envelope could convince a TD or councilor to get planning. The days of old are behind us now thankfully. The laws are now being upheld and enforced if you think otherwise go try and cut down a tree on a protected site and you will soon see how quickly people react and how fast the law will be enforced

heratage11 · 23-02-2025 09:42PM

The trees on that site can’t be destroyed that we can be certain of! My job is to insured all wildlife and trees are protected across Ireland

heratage11 · 23-02-2025 09:57PM

the law says different. What people are not getting their heads around is that the whole area is on the RMP. The trees regardless of the species all fall under the order the overgrowth the ivory etc all is part of the ecosystem environment and ecology! There are multiple governmental environmental protection agencies all aware of this area specifically there is a reason it has been protected and not touched for the last 100 years

heratage11 · 23-02-2025 10:23PM

As an advocate for the environment I will continue to work towards a more inclusive environmental policy!

Thankfully the community is strong and the support we get from the public is incredible. The land the ecosystem the trees the ring forts the rivers are all part of the future generations survival

Capt'n Midnight · 23-02-2025 10:41PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123203133#Comment_123203133

There is an adage that : "The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than that needed to produce it." — Alberto Brandolini.

I don't think laws are enforced the way you think they should be.

In fact you have been requested to post the relevant laws. Please do so.

I would consider scaremongering and muddying the water to be a highly disruptive tactic and very counterproductive to the point where it could turn people against conservation or improving legal protections.

Saving Historic Wood lands on RMP structures across Ireland.

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