Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

Getting back to basics with James Bond

2»

Comments

  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,597 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    How will it be "punched down our throat?" You could always just not watch the slop.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,520 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    I don't think so. Prime hasn't exactly set the world on fire with original content, Netflix has thrown a lot of money at content that would cost a lot less at mainstream studios and then there has been the less than stellar reaction to much of Disney's Star Wars output.

    Studios make money by people making one off payments to go see a film, streaming companies must realize that they will not gain a lot more subscribers by spending tens of millions on films.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,656 ✭✭✭yagan


    I never got the whole Daniel Graig inner turmoil introspection blah blah blah….

    Like someone said earlier, turn up at the office, get a mission, carry out said mission.

    I did enjoy the levity of the Moore bonds, but he said himself it got too creepy when the bond girls were young enough to be his daughter.

    Post edited by yagan on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,723 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    "Going back to the Cold War probably won't work as we are in the middle or the start of a second Cold War at the moment. I do agree we need to go back to basics though."

    How are we in the middle or the start if another cold war and against who? Not America and Russia anyway with Dumpy there in charge on America. Russia and America against China is it?

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,535 ✭✭✭techdiver


    Bond doesn't work in the modern era. I would like too see it rebooted back in the 60s. Back to basics approach. As others have said with a straight forward villan and linear story line.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,293 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,479 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    too many comments to quote, but for those wanting a 60s-era movie (which would be a great idea in theory), the problem is less to do with the current political situation but more to do with the lack of opportunity for product placement/tie-ins. For No Time to Die, a large portion of the budget was (apparently) provided by tie-ins with Heineken, Nokia (the release delay cause a problem as the models used were old by the time the movie actually came out) and previously Sony, Land Rover, Aston Martin, Omega, LG etc,. While some of these could release throwback editions (Heineken and Omega for example) to tie in with such a movie, it would seriously limit the opportunities for this and therefore it is unlikely unfortunately



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,227 ✭✭✭Bogey Lowenstein
    That must be Nigel with the brie...


    Why not go in a new direction and adapt Charlie Higson's Young Bond novels. It could work better as a series rather than a film.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,126 ✭✭✭afatbollix


    It worked for mad men. They could make it work.

    As you say tech is old before its even out in the cinema. Jag designed and made a car just for one of the Bonds recently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,479 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    the only reason the nokia phone was 'out of date' was because the release was pushed back almost 2 years. when sony was involved they were usually concurrent with releasing phones along with the movies (the xperia T came out at the same time as skyfall, the xperia z5 at the same time as spectre, im pretty sure casino royale and QoS had similar tie-ins).

    it was aston martin who made the DB10 for spectre, the Jaguar used was a concept car that had been made as a production model in limited numbers

    and mad men were able to do it as the series as a whole had been set in the past from the start, the tech sponsorships that are involved in James Bond production are too numerous at this stage to make it viable unfortunately. even more so now that the IP is 'owned' by Amazon, it is very likely that even if the Brocollis are to remain in charge creatively, they will want to have some sort of branding/tie-in involved - even just the use of a kindle/fire tablet or showing their webservices being used.

    the only slim possibility of a throwback movie happening would be after 2035 when the original novel becomes public domain in the UK and someone takes such a project on but with a more lower budget - still very, very unlikely as this doesnt apply to the US for a number of years again



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,377 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    I fear this is going to be pretty accurate...spinoffs ago go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,611 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    After Disney bought Star Wars we got a slew of series and one off movies. A background movie for Han Solo etc. As a lifelong Star Wars fan I'm now Star Warsed out.

    I expect something similar to happen with Bond. An origins movie for Q or M. James Bond Junior gets rebooted for Prime Kids. A series or two on Young Bond or some such.

    I hope I'm wrong but in Han Solo's words, I have a bad feeling about this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭lumphammer2


    Some interesting views here ….. agree 100% with those who said they want a traditional Bond ….. Bond goes into M gets a mission and does his thing ….. with each film more or less independent of the others ….. I felt that Bond worked best when you had a crazed villain and a set of supporting characters one was not 100% sure of which side they were on until it counted ….

    Setting Bond in the 1960s may be a good idea …. bring things back to its roots …. I sometimes regret the drift away from Fleming but when the films were set later they had to ….. The Spy Who Loved Me by Fleming was never adapted into a film and that should be done perhaps call it something else …..

    As regards spinoffs ….. I would support a James Bond TV series ….. something like Reacher and Jack Ryan …… like those and their respective lead character though it has to feature Bond not someone else …..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭lumphammer2


    Trump is Goldfinger ….. Musk is Hugo Drax ….. Putin is the male version of Rosa Klebb ….. But who is Bond ?? !! ??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,967 ✭✭✭Banjaxed82


    The only reason Bond has succeeded thus far has been its scarcity. Like Star Wars, once you open that hose, it's curtains. And there's no putting the genie back in the bottle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭lumphammer2


    I agree with what some have said about weaker villains in the newer films ….. For me the villain makes the film and is essential ….. more recent films were full of villains that were not very good ….. let's take a quick look at villains …..

    Dr No set things in motion …. mysterious, scary, intelligent and feared …. he set the bar …. From Russia With Love followed and introduced Blofeld ….. Rosa Klebb was a scary female villain and was the 3rd in control of the terrorist group SPECTRE …. Grant (in the novel a Northern Irish tough guy who worked all sides) set the bar high for henchman/enforcer …..

    Goldfinger is often cited as the definitive Bond …. practically defining the Connery and Lazenby eras ….. and it gave us the combo of the iconic villain the film is called after and the North Korean henchman Oddjob ….. this set up continued to give good Bond films since then ….. the Mafia lord Largo in Thunderball was another worthy villain ….. and the original Blofeld as main villain in You Only Live Twice/On Her Majesty's Secret Service/Diamonds Are Forever further solidified what a villain was to be ….. Blofeld was planned to appear again in the Roger Moore era but court cases only restricted him to a cameo in For Your Eyes Only …..

    Mr Big/Dr Kananga in Live and Let Die was inventive …… drug dealer in America and dictator of a fictional Africanised island …. plus Tee Hee was the best henchman in ages ….. Scaramanga was a great villain in The Man With the Golden Gun apart from him not given an actual real dastardly plan ….. this Solex thing was not really evil ….. perhaps the court cases prevented Scaramanga from being a member of SPECTRE hired to take out Bond which could have been a better plan …. but he was a great villain ….. Stromberg from The Spy Who Loved Me and Elon Musk, er Hugo Drax!!, from Moonraker were great too …. good Blofeld like villains ……

    For Your Eyes Only was a more grounded Bond film that its immediate predecessors ….. but Kristatos is appropriately creepy and evil ….. plus the KGB agent cum Olympics athlete is a good henchman ….. the unofficial Never Say Never Again remade Thunderball with updates …. and had good villains I felt ….. albeit the same ones more or less as Thunderball of course …..

    Octopussy took the move to make an actual Russian general (as distinct from a former Russian KGB agent or a foreigner working for Russia) the bad guy …. coupled with suave deposed Iranian Prince Kamal Khan it set a template that would be revisited in a Dalton and a Brosnan film ….. good solid villains overall but the film chose to have a good Russian deal with the bad general …..

    A View To A Kill is often unfairly slated ….. it was Moore's last film and yes he was too old in it ….. but …… Max Zorin may well be the greatest villain of them all ….. well and truly crazed, he was totally unhinged in a way no villain was before ….. Moore's era went out with the best villain ….

    Timothy Dalton's Bond copied the Octopussy template in The Living Daylights …… a crooked American arms dealer and another rogue Russian general ….. Bond dealt with the American and a good Russian took care of the general ….. the villains were solid, the film was excellent and the themes were very Fleming …..

    Drug dealer Franz Sanchez in Licence to Kill was vicious and violent ….. one could argue that he belonged more in Miami Vice but he was a superb villain and it was good to see Bond fit into a different type of setting …. Dalton navigated the Bond/Miami Vice hybrid well and the film used some Fleming material that was deemed to violent for an earlier film in the series …..

    Brosnan's era provided the last decent villains in my view …. Travelyan/006 in Goldeneye saw Bond up against one of his own gone rogue ….. this was copied again but Travelyan was the best incarnation of a rogue agent ….. like Octopussy and The Living Daylights he is coupled with yet another rogue Russian general ….. Tomorrow Never Dies was way ahead of its time …. Elliot Carver is a pure fake news/deep fake style villain and a refreshing take on the old Blofeld/Strombery/Drax types of the past ….. Tomorrow Never Dies is among the most underrated films of the series …..

    The World is Not Enough kind of brought in a female villain as the main villain …. albeit coupled with a male terrorist and mercenary who seemed to be inspired by those in the then Yugoslav conflicts ….. I am unsure if these villains worked 100% but they were different …..

    Die Another Day was a crazy over the top film ….. love it or hate it, this was one film that was larger than life and deliberately far fetched …… invisible car anyone !!! ….. so the absurd Gustav Graves and his weird origin story is par for the course ….. weird and absurd as he may be, he may be the last proper villain in the series ……

    Casino Royale 2006 (not 1967!!!) is a great film ….. but as with the book it is not meant to have a true villain in it ….. Le Chiffre is a great character but he is ultimately an operative who follows orders ….. and meets his end via his own as in the novel …..but unlike Fleming who followed Le Chiffre up with a series of strong SMERSH villains, the rest of Craig's films presented poor villains in my view ….

    Dominic Greene from Quantum of Solace was hardly doing anything truly sinister ….. a scarce water plot worked better in Mad Max than Bond too ….. the South American general/dictator was better but underused ….. still and all I enjoyed QoS but not for its villain or plot …..

    Skyfall was truly great …. but the villain was someone I didn't know whether to hate or feel sorry for ….. M came across as cold and uncaring to him thus this guy had a point …. he did not seem to have the evil of Goldeneye's Travelyan who he is based on ….

    Blofeld in SPECTRE and No Time To Die is not as good as the one in Connery's and Lazenby's era ….. a horrid backstory ruins it and no nuclear extortion plot given to him ….. it just did not feel like SPECTRE ….. the main villain in No Time To Die and his 'smart Covid' pandemic sort of fell flat after the real pandemic delayed its release …. that Bond was supposedly killed off by a rather ordinary villain I do not think rang true either with the nature of the franchise …..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭lumphammer2


    I am also a fan of Star Wars …. and agree with you ….. the original trio of Star Wars/Empire Strikes Back/Return of the Jedi are and will always be the greatest ….. everything you need to know is in them ….. the prequels were ruined basically by that Jar Jar character …. though the 3rd prequel is my next favourite after the original 3 ……

    The latter Star Wars movies were ruined by killing off Luke and Han ….. Bond did the same ….. and the replacement characters did not hold up ….. the last of the new trilogy was poor and suffered because there were no Luke, Han, etc. in it ….. admittedly I like Solo and Rogue One ….. they more akin to the originals …… I have yet to watch series like Mandalorian et al …..

    They will do the same with Bond ….. I prefer Bond films or a Bond series on TV but am not really interested in origin stories for support characters like those you mention ….. or either am I interested in a film/series with a child version of Bond …. but I feel that is what we are gonna get …..

    If we are to have origin stories the villains would be more interesting ….. proferably based on Fleming ….. that whole backstory of Grant in Aughnacloy Tyrone would be an interesting one and comes from Fleming's book of From Russia With Love ……



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,029 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,570 ✭✭✭Declan A Walsh




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭lumphammer2


    Elektra King was defo a main bad girl …. at least equal to Renard ….. Rosa Klebb was the 3rd in Command in SPECTRE next to just Blofeld and Largo making her the highest placed villain in From Russia With Love ….. Irma Bunt was most likely Blofeld's girlfriend and while not said prob had a high up SPECTRE number ….. and was the one who killed Tracy …..



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭Kaybaykwah


    @lumphammer2/


    You convinced me!



Advertisement