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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,942 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill


    Agreed, Russia will rebuild their army, wait for sanctions to drop off, wait ten years and then invade again.

    USA can no longer be depended upon to defend democracy, Europe is on it's own.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,859 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It's a mess of the Americans' own making though. After the first world war, they helped create the League of Nations but did not join, leaving it and Europe to fend for themselves. After the second war, they actually joined the United Nations but now they're at risk of making the same mistake. The world is interconnected and the world order was literally designed by the Americans. A pan-European conflict with Russia would hit the US hard in terms of lost trade and soft power.

    Hard to disagree with this newspaper cover:

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    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,759 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Trump's idea of an election is inciting a mob to storm the parliament building.

    Or one where the actual votes don't count because the result has been pre-determined.

    Easily done in wartime.

    Another example of his fascist thinking.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,759 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Trump may very well be a Russian stooge, but if he's not, would be great if someone could show him that Daily Star front page… might trigger a reaction and remember he is the President of America not a member of Putin's Cabinet.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,794 ✭✭✭yagan


    Russia are really pushing hard on false narratives to secure what they've gained, but if Putin's regime implodes will Trump give Putin and Assad sanctuary?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭pcardin


    ….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,836 ✭✭✭Nermal


    You're the one who said that NATO expansion can't be proferred as a reason behind the war because it resulted in Finland joining. In response, I asked you to posit a realistic and obvious path that Putin could have chosen that would result in both Ukraine and Finland staying out of NATO. You haven't done so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭pcardin


    @dohnjoe people are not falling for it. ruSSian vatniks, Nazi fans, and useful idiots are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    Great plan, throw out decades of partnership because you don’t like the current president and invite in China, a country that has border disputes with almost all its neighbours and is constantly involved in hacking and corporate espionage. I can’t imagine that going badly at all.

    The presidential term is four years, Trump could be gone forever then. The real question is why is Europe so dependent on the US for military support almost a century after world war 2.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,821 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    But why should Putin have taken any path other than the path of "leave sovereign countries alone"?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,010 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    If Putin doesn't want more countries to join NATO, then he should stop engaging in such aggressive actions, such as hybrid warfare against Europe and invading a European country.

    It's really simple.

    Stop being Hitler and countries won't join NATO.

    And if a country does want to join NATO, that's up to the country. Yeltsin was considering it in the 90's.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,794 ✭✭✭yagan


    China doesn't actually have any external military bases, except one in Djibouti. It's more a logistics hub that was established because China of shortcomings in evacuating their citizens out of Libya safely.

    The USA has a 170 full fat military bases around the world, but Trump is already ordering funding cuts for them and US embassies. Perhaps the whole withdrawal from eastern Europe is partly inspired by simply not being able to afford them anymore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭omega man


    I see UK and Norway are in talks over a new defence pact. Great to see but EU needs to stand up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,734 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    Finland is of zero strategic importance to Russia. It does not have Germany or Poland on the other side of it like Ukraine.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 7,156 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Aris


    Mod note:

    Good afternoon everyone.

    Nermal is currently on a break from the forum, so you can ignore their posts.

    Thank you.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,764 ✭✭✭Apiarist


    You are right, but the strategic importance is of little importance to Putin. He wants Ukraine to be a subservient country, like Belarus is. Not because of any strategic military considerations, NATO on the borders, etc, they are just a smokescreen. Nobody would attack Russia, that would be completely stupid.

    The reasons for Putin's aggression are very simple — a) Putin cannot afford a democratic country where people who are similar to Russians to exist. The fact that Ukrainians elect their presidents is a deadly threat to the Putin's regime, as russians may get libertarian ideas and actually demand change if they see Ukraine doing ok. b) Second reason is that Ukraine has many resources and Putin, as a mafia boss, must always reward his mob friends, taking over Ukraine in political sense would means that best contracts go to his friends. c) Third reason is Putin's desire to create the USSR 2.0 and without Ukraine it would not be possible.

    This ties in directly into the current situation with Trump's attempts to bring about "peace". Any peace which leaves Ukraine as an independent nation is not acceptable for Putin. How to break up the unity of Ukraine and attempt to push some russian Quisling into power? Ask Trump to call for "elections" during war time. How to make sure that Ukrainians looks like the war mongers? Ask Trump to offer them a deal so insanely unfair that they would have to reject it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,716 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Course he is still his mate. Piers tends to tell it like it is, the good and bad, only brainwashed Maga followers never criticize Trump. I believe Trump will get a deal done, I'd still call out his BS though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    The US is hoping to downsize in Europe (excluding airbases) and concentrate on SE Asia. After Trump you can expect whoever comes after to keep pushing that, just like the Chinese tariffs. It’s always been an odd situation that countries dependent on American military support were so critical of the US.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,871 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Plus if it ever did come to a shooting war between the US/NATO and miraculously stayed below the nuclear threshold, all the meaningful action would be from the air. By the time the tanks rolled across the border from Ukraine or wherever, Russia would be a smoking husk.

    I always assume anyone pushing that line about 'genuine' Russian fears of encirclement by NATO is either a moron or arguing in bad faith…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,716 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Is this AI, I just don't get it, Zelensky was the one offering this deal for earth minerals, now he seems surprised and shocked ,and says '' I won't sell my country ''

    Two weeks ago he was one pushing this deal, today he refuses to sign it .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    OK, this is the story:

    A joint media conference with US Envoy Kellogg and Ukraine President Zelenskyy has been cancelled at U.S. request.

    However THEY DID MEET



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 521 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    Actually I doubt he cares much about China either

    Yesterday they announced 8% cut to US defence spending

    There must be at least three dozen countries now scrambling to make nuclear weapons



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,794 ✭✭✭yagan


    Going of topic but so far all reports suggest Trump's tariffs have a bigger impact of all the traditional allies than on China.

    You can see how Chinese companies pared back exposure to the USA after the Huawei ban so they're more insulated.

    The Chinese strategy seems to be "do nothing; win".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,456 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Sneaky sneaky

    Cant fly drones if you have no eyes

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,456 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    You what, would not surprise me anymore if this actually happened lol

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    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,064 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    WTF? You really have the wrong end of the stick. Other way round. Yes Zelensky was open to such a deal after Trump raised the idea, but then Trump just lost the plot and went into mind-f*ck greed mode and wanted $500 B worth of minerals for having actually spent less than $100 B - and with no mention of supplying another $300-400 B worth of materiel.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,651 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    A basic cursory glance at the history of what happened would make it clear that Ukraine were not offering 50% of all proceeds from Ukrainian natural resources in perpetuity which is what Trump utterly ridiculously demanded.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 521 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    They should call out Trumps bullshit by saying

    “Yes you can have 50% of resources in the currently occupied by Russia areas as soon as you send enough equipment and we liberate it”

    Or go get it yourself Donnie



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Timing is a poor excuse. Ukraine's negotiating position was stronger in 2019-2021 than it was at any time since. You might argue Ukraine's position was briefly stronger towards the end of 2022 after its Kharkov offensive. In Nov 22, the US General Milley publicly said Ukraine needed to open negotiations for peace then.

    When there’s an opportunity to negotiate, when peace can be achieved, seize it….You want to negotiate at a time when you’re at your strength, and your opponent is at weakness.

    But for all the talk about ensuring Ukraine can negotiate from a position of strength, even when that might have been said to be achieved, Zelensky still refused to negotiate. Zelensky has persistently ruled out negotiations and persistently pursued maximalist goals for Ukraine whereas his European backers have also opposed negotiations and pursued maximalist goals of their own. It has been proven to be a poor strategy.

    Even now, Ukraine and the Europeans could open negotiations with Russia. They just need to appoint a negotiator and send them to Russia. But they don't. They can hardly complain if the USA - exercising its own rights as a sovereign, independent nation - pursues negotiations in its own interests. Ukraine doesn't get a veto on US policies. Europe doesn't either.

    As for Macron, you could be referring to any one of a number of humiliations he has suffered as he has flipped and flopped from one position to another. Nobody takes him seriously.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,064 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Confirmed hit on the cracking tower - the heart of a refinery. Excellent news - also video of another nice refinery hit.



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