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General British politics discussion thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,269 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    The US and the UK have refused to sign a declaration on "inclusive and sustainable" artificial intelligence at a landmark Paris summit, in a blow to hopes for a concerted approach to developing and regulating the technology.

    The communique states that priorities include "ensuring AI is open, inclusive, transparent, ethical, safe, secure and trustworthy, taking into account international frameworks for all" and "making AI sustainable for people and the planet".

    The USA is a write off especially with the tech bro's running it, but this looks very poor from Labour sadly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,924 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    Labour are in a panic over growth so it looks like jumping on whatever lower-regulation bandwagon happened to be passing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 597 ✭✭✭Randycove


    I don’t think it is about lowering regulation, more that Labour is still formulating it AI strategy and doesn’t want to sign anything that would contradict this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,992 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    It is unreal to think Starmer masqueraded as a human rights lawyer at one stage in his life. I wonder when Israel bought the man.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,785 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,303 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    Local elections (the ones the government are permitting to go ahead) will be historically bad for Labour (obviously only my prediction). Their current policy of moving right to try and appeal to that side of the electorate has failed miserably and all they've done is lose the young vote and massively erode their traditional base.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,888 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The anti Tory vote won't be the same in the locals because a lot of the casual voters don't bother with them.

    Labour will probably take a kicking from the Greens in the urban areas but the vast majority of seats up this time are Tory so there won't be any sort of "referendum" on the government this time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,879 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    These are the anniversary of the Boris Bounce / vaccine rollout election results so the main narrative is likely to be Tory to Reform loses, as Labour had so little to begin with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,303 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    Reform are going to take seats from Labour in numbers as well. As I said, continuing to be Tory/Reform lite is, in my opinion, going to go very badly for Labour.

    In other news the press, particularly the BBC it seems, are obsessed with the wagon Rachel Reeves and her iffy CV. I dislike the woman immensely but there wasn't a whiff of this much scrutiny about most the last government and very little into Farage and his boys now.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,888 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    How can they take seats in numbers if Labour doesn't have them in numbers to lose ?

    That by-election is in a place not holding a full election this year.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,303 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    There are still Labour councillors who currently are the opposition, let's see if they still are after May. It might go completely differently to how I'm suggesting, as I've said it's only my opinion it isn't fact, and the Labour strategy might come good (in May and going forward).

    The twitter post was to illustrate that Reform are taking seats from Labour. They also took a council seat from Labour back in December. It was just to show it was possible, sincere apologies if that wasn't clear.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,861 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    That's one seat from 7 local elections, there's been nearly 200 local elections since the GE, Reform have won 10 seats.

    Most of reforms current councillors are Tory defectors, not a great look for them if they're going to continue to claim that they're better than the Tories.

    Can see Reform winning some seats I'm May, that's inevitable but i dont think it's going to be a massive shift to them, as usual Reform will hail any seat won as a "political tsunami" (Lee Anderson's favourite saying) and wont mention the seats they don't win.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,303 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    I hope you're right (it will be quite reassuring) but I genuinely think they'll make big gains, from Labour and Tories. I think you're giving the British electorate more credit than they deserve.

    Post edited by Tom Mann Centuria on

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,924 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    At the moment the whole CV thing feels like the Chris Huhne speeding ticket case which was clearly a vendetta rather than a genuine concern for wrongful harm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 597 ✭✭✭Randycove


    Labour ran on the basis they would have the economy front and centre of their agenda and when you do that, who better to have as chancellor than someone who worked for a major bank as an economist and spent a decade at the Bank of England.

    Except she wasn’t an economist at HBOS, left under a cloud and was only at the BofE for six years. People who lie on their CVs usually get caught out when it turns out they can’t do their job. When that job is one of the most important in the UK at the moment and the person doing it turns out to be completely incompetent, then yeah, it is big news.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,269 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Agreed its poor and I actually quite like her and am fascinated to see how how her tenure goes.

    Its another reminder as if it was needed that a major issue for Keir is every week , their seems to be examples of his MPS dropping embarrassing clangers .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭yagan


    Interesting to see Johnson decry Trump for his surrender to Putin.

    Seemingly the Pro Trump reform faction are having a hard time spinning capitulation to Putin as a positive.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,861 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Johnson has only ever been out for Johnson. It's not impossible that he cares about Ukraine and Zelensky but he'll always put himself and his income from the US speaking circuit first.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭yagan


    Well doesn't that make it interesting? Niall Ferguson had initially described Brexit as an bad economic idea, but after the vote he drifted towards the "maybe it's not a bad idea camp" and cashed in on the conservative MAGA type speaking circuit in the US.

    Zelensky is having this eras Churchill moment and Johnson knows it. Johnson only sided with Leave as a platform for a run for PM. Farage has the UK Trumpers so Johnson won't bother with that vein anymore, so knowing the British public he can very easily pivot the mood towards a Heroic Britain support for todays Churchill.

    He can even spin it if he must that the EU needs British leadership against Putin. If would be a fantastic face saving about turn, relations mended and the Farage camp firmly outed as Putin stooges.

    Plus support for Zelensky allows him back into the British mindspace without the Brexit baggage. He'll still be marred by Partygate so he'll never get near PM again, but narcissists crave adoration and if he can't be the Churchill of the day it would be better to be remembered for rallying for the defeat of Putin than dwell forever under a cloud.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,861 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I wouldn't say so. It's just tired and predictable. They never take responsibility, they never lead, they have no ideas so all they do is pretend to be oppressed and side with the money. Liz Truss is the epitome of his. Rishi Sunak in fairness hasn't but he's the richest MP of all time so there's that.

    Ferguson is just an imperialist historian. It's a perfectly predictable thing for him to move into the griftersphere just like David Starkey.

    Johnson had his Churchill moment. It was in 2020. People were dying by the thousands and he got seriously sick himself. His response was to have a series of parties and have private donors renovate his Downing Street fleet in the style of Suleiman the Magnificent on LSD.

    I honestly think the UK has moved on. Well, outside the Conservative party at least. I think Badenoch is a non-entity who just parrots culture war drivel. There'll be a faction that looks to Johnson and his 2019 win as their hope for the future. I don't see it happening but I accept that it might.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,785 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Johnson is the ultimate mé féiner. He'll run with the hare and the hound which is why you cannot trust him for a second. Him writing two articles for Brexit where he praised it in one and damned it in the other, depending on which way the vote went, is a perfect example of that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭yagan


    Well maybe I should have said Johnson's public support for Ukraine to counter Trumps betrayal is a sign of change mood music. Maybe that's the last we hear of Bojo for the year, but do people on British streets really believe that Ukraine deserved to be invaded like Trump is asserting?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,861 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Farage obviously does but I think the British public overwhelmingly support sending aid to Ukraine. It's got very strong bipartisan support.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭yagan


    This is what I'm interested in. Now that Trump has gone full Putin and Gaza Genocide will Farage fanatics be able to stand behind not supporting Ukraine under the Russian blitz?

    Edit to add, speaking of Reform!

    On Wednesday, Farage and Richard Tice, the deputy party leader, gave up their more than 90% shareholding in Reform UK Party Limited, according to filings with Companies House, the UK corporate register, reviewed by Reuters.The party will now be controlled by a renamed entity called REFORM 2025 LTD, the filings show, and Reform will be controlled by its more than 200,000 members.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/nigel-farage-gives-up-control-reform-uk-make-party-more-democratic-2025-02-20/

    Now we'll see what motions come from the ranks.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,861 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Having met a few "Farage fanatics", I do not respect them to care what they think. 200,000 is less than 0.5% of the UK's population. David Cameron was right to call UKIP "Fruitcakes, loonies and closet (debatable now) racists".

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,269 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Johnson has always been pro Ukraine and he and Zelenskyy have been close for a long time tbf so not at all surprised by his comments. I don't have the polling numbers in front of me, but pretty sure Putin is deeply unpopular with Brit's so the likes of Reform need to be very careful.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,991 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Aside from his comments yesterday, has Johnson actually done anything to help Zelenski or Ukraine since he stopped being an MP?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,991 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Apparently both farage and Truss are at a Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington. Truss apparently reckons "Donald Trump and Elon Musk's style of governance would go down brilliantly back home". I wonder if the UK civil service would look forwards to that!

    Truss according to Sky News also claimed the following (not sure if I should be surprised or not!)…

    "We missed the first American revolution in 1776, in fact it was a revolution against us," she said, "but we want to be part of the second American revolution."

    Farage has been doing his usual worshiping of Trump's every breath claiming that trump promised to bring Putin to the negotiating table and that is exactly what he's done! (it is a pity that one side in the conflict has not been invited to the table as an equal)

    https://news.sky.com/story/politics-latest-labour-starmer-ukraine-war-russia-paris-us-trump-europe-zelenskyy-12593360



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,191 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    That's a wonderful quote from Truss. She's remarkably stupid and truly the gift that keeps on giving.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,924 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    I'd consider six years to just about be within acceptable bounds of "best part of a decade" for purposes of spin on a LinkedIn profile. And the circumstances of her departure from HBOS are the sort of allegations I'd expect UK media to make up all the time.

    ..at least that was my view when I wrote my comment. Now I'm not sure is she's deceitful or outright moronic (and I think the latter is worse).



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