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Council Waiting List

  • 03-02-2025 03:24PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17


    Hi,

    I am on the housing list with my council. I work and my (net) income is just below the threshold for a single person. I have been on the list for around 13years.

    I am 75,85,99 on the three [area choice] preference lists.

    Can I ask, am I correct to say that when it reaches number one on any of the lists, I will be guaranteed an offer of a property? Or is there a chance that when it reaches the end (of list) I could be put back to the beginning?

    Also, for those that have gone through the process, what happens when you are offered a property ? Do the council require payslips? P60?

    I would be grateful for any help or insights on the process itself. Thank you in advance

    🙏🏻



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,929 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    They do set priorities for people based on circumstances but eventually realised it was discriminatory to single men so changed it so they weren't always put to the bottom. You sound like you are near the top at this point but maybe a year or so to go. Check you aren't getting bumped down regularly and if you are maybe mention discrimination on gender if you are because they were meant to address this. If on the list 13 years you may have been party to the old system and could have been discriminated at some point so they may adjust if you point it out. As always be polite to whom ever you talk to as they are just doing their job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 Tommy Hilfiger


    Hi Ray, thanks for the reply. Yes I am always polite and respectful to whomever I speak to. I check on a regular basis what position I am on. It seems I am getting lower and lower each week. The problem I have, if and when they do reach me that my salary may push me over the threshold, at the moment I am under but come a year or so it may just be over. I know that's ungrateful on my part and a lot of people may be judgemental, however, every circumstance is different and I can not (ever) afford to own my own property on this island.

    I continue to check and will reach out to any members of staff they may be able to help me.

    I may find myself homeless soon (through no fault of my own) and I don't know how this will impact my position. Would you happen to know? I appreciate time given to reply.

    Cheers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,929 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Sorry if it cam across as I was suggesting you would be rude it wasn't my intent. All I can say is don't go over the threshold. You can explain it to your employer and they should understand. Reduce hours or don't take a pay rise if possible. Recheck the threshold and see if it moved or moving due to recent changes to the minimum wage. I don't know the system that well



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,663 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    You should ask the council about the possibility of your being nominated for an apartment with one of the AHBs.

    Tuath, Cluid etc, are taking single people of the list and putting them in one bed apartments.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭Skweefie


    Ask your council about their choice based lettings procedure. Properties are advertised weekly, with Fingal it is every Wednesday. Then you can express an interest if one appeals to you. If you are the person highest on the social list, it will be offered to you. Great system as it gives you a bit of control and preference to getting your own forever home that you enjoy living in. If you refuse the offer, you get barred from the CBL system for a year. It means that only people who actually want to live there will express the interest.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭Skweefie


    If you have been assessed as having a housing need, you can go over the threshold. You are on the list for 13 years. They cant punish you for trying to better yourself with a higher salary.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭Skweefie


    This is completely incorrect information. OP has been assessed as having a housing need. If income goes above the threshold, council should be notified and rent contributions from tenant increase. It would be fairly bonkers if the system cant provide housing for 13 years and the tenant is penalised for attempting to get themselves off the bread line. I would recommend only offering advice on subjects that you understand. This misinformation probably stressed the OP out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,663 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    If someone goes over the income threshold before being allocated a house/apartment, they will be disqualified regardless of how long they are on the waiting list.

    The local authorities do an updated income assessment pre-allocation, to ensure candidates still qualify.

    So the advice given to stay under the threshold, is correct.

    https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2022-06-23/6/#:~:text=Households%20are%20generally%20removed%20from,previous%20position%20on%20the%20list.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,217 ✭✭✭✭Caranica


    Housing lists are dynamic and points based. You can move up and down depending on the needs of others versus your needs. You could get to #2 and then go back to 12 if more people join the list at that time and have greater needs. Until you get contacted with a property don't get your hopes up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,805 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Is the council's income assessment still based on net income? It used to be possible to put additional income up to your AVC limits into your pension to keep under the limit if it was a close run thing AFAICR.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 526 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    Can I ask how you find out what number you are on each preference list?

    Does your council use the choice based lettings system where you apply for houses as they come up online?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,663 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    Depends on the local authority. For instance, South Dublin County Council works on a "time on list" basis, based on date of application.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,530 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    That used to be true, but was changed about 15(ish) years ago.

    Now income is assessed when you go on the list, and again when you are about to be allocated a house.

    This is not punishing you. It's simply giving the available housing to the people who need it most.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭Skweefie


    I am 13 years on the list. When I started, i was on single parents allowance. Now im in a stable, senior management position in the civil service. Im moving into my forever home in April. You are incorrect. It is legislation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭Skweefie


    Im 13 years on the list. I send proof of income every year. My contributions have increased based on the increase in salary. Im moving into my house in April. I'm well over the income threshold but am still a one parent household. They cannot punish people or keep them in abject poverty just because their waiting list is so long. That would be insanely unfair. Maybe they mean people who try to hide their income or something? But if you keep them informed, all is well. I've been directly in this so I know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,663 ✭✭✭Ezeoul




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭Skweefie


    Lol. Ill happily send you proof through DM if you like?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,663 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    I posted a link to SDCC official policy, and also on another thread to a Dail Debate about the issue.

    I don't require proof from you, thanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,530 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    If you are in a senior management position anywhere, you can afford to buy your own "forever home" - you are not indigent, you don't NEED to be housed by the state, so you won't be.

    Except perhaps if you have a stay at home partner, a sclather of kids, and an unusual understanding of what "senior management" means.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭Skweefie


    As I said, maybe they are referring to people hiding their income. I'm with Fingal. I can only comment on my own experiences and how Ive worked my way out of poverty. I contacted them when promotion was being offered as it would put me over the threshold. Im on the HAP scheme too so that could change things. My main point is that if you keep in contact with the council about your circumstances, there are ways they can help. Telling someone to stay under the income threshold is insane. Just take a step back and think about it objectively. You were rude, I was not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,108 ✭✭✭✭thesandeman


    I think it depends on which Council. They all seem to have different policies on everything to do with housing for some reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,663 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    I was not rude. I was factual, and I backed it up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭Skweefie


    I dont have enough time left for a mortgage so no, I cant afford a house by myself. I just started the senior management position and im in my fifties. Ive no reason to lie. I have 1 child and no partner. I have a move in date for April so it seems I will be housed by the state due to my own personal circumstances.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭Skweefie


    The yeah i believe you comment was rude. Im commenting about my own experiences and of dealing with fingal. SDCC may well do it differently. I've no idea which council OP is dealing with but the scaremongering about going over the threshold was worrying to me. OP should liaise with their council about the various schemes and options available. Ther are options if you are honest with them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,663 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    The income limit for Fingal for one adult with one child is €41k. Age of the applicant isn't a factor.

    You claim to be at senior management level in the Civil Service, which means Principal Officer level, earning minimum €103k (gross) post '95 scale.

    So excuse me if I'm skeptical of your claims.

    I'll leave it there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭Skweefie


    To me it is insane that different councils treat applicants differently. There should be the same supports available regardless of which council you deal with. Seems fingal are a good one to deal with, based on my personal experience anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭Skweefie


    Senior management is Assistant Principal. Started on 3rd February after an internal competition. Post history will show you I started as a clerical officer in 2017. Ill leave it there too. Enjoy your evening and remember, why do I need to lie? Still happy to show you proof through dm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,663 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    I'm 37 years in the civil service. An AP still starts at €80k.

    Hope you enjoy your evening too.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,108 ✭✭✭✭thesandeman


    No point in arguing about it. If the OP lets us know what LA they are with we might be able to help going by our own experiences.



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