Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP, Updated 18/03/25

One is in America and other is International water.

If you think its the same then there is no help for you

Interesting recent statement from the department of defence giving a breakdown of what Ukraine got and why they got it. Don't think Donald would be too happy with it it given his recent rant blaming Ukraine.

Fact Sheet

Bureau of Political-Military Affairs

January 20, 2025

The United States, our allies, and our partners worldwide are united in support of Ukraine in response to Russia’s premeditated, unprovoked, and unjustified war against Ukraine.  We have not forgotten Russia’s earlier aggression in eastern Ukraine and occupation following its unlawful seizure of Crimea in 2014.  The United States reaffirms its unwavering support for Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity within its internationally recognized borders, extending to its territorial waters.

Ukraine is a key regional strategic partner that has undertaken significant efforts to modernize its military and increase its interoperability with NATO. It remains an urgent security assistance priority to provide Ukraine the equipment it needs to defend itself against Russia’s war against Ukraine.

To date, we have provided $65.9 billion in military assistance since Russia launched its premeditated, unprovoked, and brutal full-scale invasion of Ukraine on February 24, 2022, and approximately $69.2 billion in military assistance since Russia’s initial invasion of Ukraine in 2014. We have now used the emergency Presidential Drawdown Authority on 55 occasions since August 2021 to provide Ukraine military assistance totaling approximately $27.688 billion from DoD stockpiles.

Power. Why do you think the US gives billions, every year, to Israel?

Its about global power.

And US hasn't given anything to Ukraine. They sold military hardware. That money almost all stayed in the US. Giving money to defence contractors out of the US military budget. It hasn't cost the US taxpayer a single additional dollar. Taxes will not come down 1 cent if they stop supporting Ukraine.

This has nothing to do with the cost of the war, its not major in terms of US budgets.

Trump has never, ever, stood up to Putin and is not about to start. He is singlehandedly handing Russia back the power. The entire cold war was about America fighting the 'evil' of Russia and now, with Russia at possibly their lowest point ever, Trump is going to give them everything they want.

Like Kim, he is giving them a seat at the top table for nothing. History will judge Trump as the great appeaser. A man that could have stood up to Putin but was too cowardly and too self centered

A - Mount McKinley is on American soil, the Gulf of Mexico is more in Mexicos jurisdiction than America's. Trump has no authority to name it anything.

B - Obama didn't get his knickers in a twist when people referred to the old name as Trump is doing.

C - Obama didn't promote himself as someone against people who wanted to change what they are called.

It's embarrassing.

With enough support from Europe, Ukraine has the means to outlast the Russians on the battlefield. That's pretty much what is key to victory over Moscow. They have been banking on the US removing their support and forcing the Ukrainians into a ceasefire. Without that, the Russians face running into an increasing hardened brickwall in the future if they don't get relief soon.

The problem for the Russians is that relief needs to come in the form of being taking in from the cold, not having to throw stuff at the war and being allowed to sell gas to Western Europe again. If that doesn't happen, Russia will eventually run out of options.

Donnie might think that throwing his weight around will make all of this happen for Putin, but Europe hasn't got much in the way of incentives to help him out. Donnie could threaten "tariffs", which is his go-to thing to say…but he's likely going to do that anyway for (insert childish reason here). Europe is no worse off ignoring Donnie, and keeping Ukraine armed.

The entirity of Russia's military is currently engaged in trying to overrun Ukraine and they are making an expensive dogs-dinner of it. The longer they are forced to keep that up, the longer Europe can keep the Russian Federation to such a weakened state that they won't have enough armor or troops to scrape together for a second European front. Futhermore, Donnie's attempts to take Russia in from the cold should be ignored. Don't let him into a G7 meeting, and don't open up for trade with Russia. Their economy is smaller than Italy's now, and we're getting energy products from other sources.

Let the Russians shrivel on the vine, and let Donnie be forever associated with this attemtped betrayal of the democratic world.

Have the people who constantly trot out 'the money stayed in the US' never heard of the glazier's fallacy? Or are they just hoping we never heard of it?

Julian Assange said it years ago, the goal isn't to end war. The goal is to have a successful war where money is continually processed out of the US government in the form of military budgets and back in to US corporate pockets in the form of the purchasing of weapons and ammunitions.

he is a dictator. A sad reflection of the lack of education in USA not the mention the ‘anyone but a woman” element

Anti Trump now morally exceeds being anti war is the big take reading this. Lets thousands more die because big bad orange man wants his cut of the pie.
If Ukraine reject this deal, which they have every right to considering, I hope the bluster from EU and Britain translates into more than blaming Trump and they actually do something tangible to support these people.

Weird, he didn't manage to do that last time. How many times does he need to **** up before he gets it right?

If it's so irrelevant, why are you so worked up about it?

And it doesn't change the fact that Trump's administration was atrocious and mired in large-scale corruption. You keep saying but Biden, Trump didn't make America great and divided the country more than anything else. Within his first month this time round, he's called for ethnic cleansing and spent his time targeting minority groups. On top of that he's threatened tariffs and rolled them back, he didn't get new deals out of that. He just got already announced deals. He is gonna be a mess of a president.