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Manchester United Thread 25/26 - Teamtalk/Transfers/Gossip Mod Note in OP 26.09.24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,302 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    i think alot of this is to do with the low defensive line.

    the CB's need to be braver and push up the pitch, that should ensure the WB's also push up the pitch.

    i presume maguire was the defensive leader against spurs and he has no interest in playing a high line.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,711 ✭✭✭Caustic


    Garnacho is still young and is just doing what he has seen the senior players do his whole time with the first team and also probably what ten hagg wanted too. We have seen improvements in his game under Amiron he certainly looks to pass more then he used to,.still takes the odd ridiculous shot but much less, so hopefully he gets a chance to build a rapport with Dorgu and the manager hammers it home to him about using the overlap.

    If we are to achieve anything this season we will need someone to start stepping up and garnacho is the most likely,.he wants to get on the ball, he is good at getting on the ball and finding space to and he has the pace to carry the ball into space very well, he still has much to improve but he currently looks more likely to make things happen then anyone else now Amad is injured



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,777 ✭✭✭Iseedeadpixels


    Attack doesn't just win you games, defence does too.

    Diallo pressing is Amorims instructions

    Martinez pushing forward is how Amorim likes his CB to do.

    You won't agree then I won't agree the usual back and forth so have a nice 👍🏻



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,937 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    agreed, as much as I hated his performance on Sunday, he has to start every match imo (not realistic, but we have very little option to rest him). We need his pace, his threat. We can't just have two fro Zirkzee, Bruno and Mainoo in the 10s cause there is no ability to stretch the opposition.

    I just hope the entirity of his training plan this week is 'PASS THE BALL TO DORGU'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,711 ✭✭✭Caustic


    Ya it really was a pulling the hair out performance even the one ball he played to Dorgu he waited until he had no other option and then Dorgu plays a one touch pass into Hojund to create a great chance, so hopefully it is well drilled into him I do have hope because I do think he has been much better under Amiron.in.a number of ways



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,937 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    IMO Southampton was terrible in the first half.

    Fulham i feel our attacking impotence was down to poor decison making. We got into loads of good positions in the final third and then failed at making the final pass, picked the wrong option or executed poorly. Yes, it needed a lucky goal, but it was poor execution in the final 3rd that was the problem. Can put that down to poor coaching if you want to though - ie. the players haven't been coached well enough to being quicker and better at executing in those situations.

    City needed a 'smash and grab' but at the same time I thought we were the better side for large parts of the game - city created eff all. We lacked a cutting edge though. But then the ball through to Amad for the winner is 100% a run and pass that should be baked into the style.

    I thought defensively against Spurs were we poor, too deep. But we also did create a number of good chances - we were not utterly outplayed imo. (and spurs are in rocky form too so no great boast there). We created enough chances to draw or win that game imo. And on top of that I think Garnacho ruined a bunch of attacks by ignoring the overlap which then didn't take advantage of the overload on the far side - which is a patterned and coached play.

    I think we rely on these 'moments' because the players are failing to execute the patterns. But even if you were to agree with that, the question then becomes are those pattern failures because the players are poor or the coaching of those patterns is poor.

    Same way I don't know if the reason Dalot is 10yards too deep so often because he is afraid to push on, Amorim is telling him to be conservative and ceed the space, or Amorim can't explain to Dalot what he wants in the first place.

    IMO it is the first problem - Dalot isn't doing it, as Mazraoui (imo) didn't push like he was supposed to vs Spurs - which effectively gave up midfield. But that is just an opinion and obviously not fact. Just as an opposing view would be opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,302 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    good vid. my main takeaways:

    dalot needs to be getting further up the pitch. i'd be happy to see him sold in the summer.

    will pay more attention to zirkzee in the next game to see how he does out of possession.

    casemiro will be replaced with 1 of the returning CM's. hopefully those reports that he will see out the remaining 18 months of his contract were greatly exaggerated.

    i dont notice/appreciate how much running bruno does.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,001 ✭✭✭secman


    If the players played with intensity, busted their balls, carried out coaches instructions, cut out schoolboy errors, left nothing on the pitch....we would win a lot more games. This is ALL on the players who are highly paid and and falling way short of their responsibilities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,503 ✭✭✭Daroxtar


    👆 THIS👆



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,314 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    But why aren't the team busting their balls, playing with intensity, following the coaches instructions, not making schoolboy errors?

    Is Amorim not able to motivate them? Are the instructions being shown clearly and understandable for the players? Are the players making the mistakes being dropped or are they remaining in the team every week?

    We can blame the players but ultimately they're all contracted to the club and it's up to the manager to get a tune out of the current players and so far he's failing.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,777 ✭✭✭Iseedeadpixels


    Because win lose or draw the vast majority of them make a hell of a lot of money, they gave up on ETH they've already given up on Amorim.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,314 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    There should be ongoing appraisal of the players performances and players life's both on and off the field and this needs to be relayed to the players that this will have an big impact on their future at the club.

    I'm sure this is being done but too often players play well for 12 games and bag another 3 year contract.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,371 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    I'm not having that. It's up to 1 person ie RA to motivate a bunch of men to do what they are being paid hundreds of thousands of pounds a week to do?

    My bollox tbh.

    As Keane said several years ago, iirc during Oles tenure, players for Man United shouldn't need to be motivated by the manager, they shouldn't need to be cajoled, they should be giving their all every single effin game.

    If that is the case then it shows just how badly we have recruited over the years from an attitude perspective.

    Open heart surgery along with a full frontal lobotomy, a double hip and knee replacement and a Brazilian bum lift is needed at the club at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,992 ✭✭✭Bleating Lamb


    It will be interesting to see which members of the current Squad that Amorim tries to move on in the Summer,not including the players whose contracts will be expiring.

    If he wants to buy a specialist RWB,will they try to help fund this via selling Dalot?

    I have a feeling Amorim doesn’t see Dorgu necessarily as his default LWB,moreso as someone who can play there or on the right and they will possibly try a sign a specialist LWB in the Summer.

    Maguire could be tempted into a move if he was assured more minutes elsewhere.If Martinez wasn’t injured he would be getting less minutes currently as he forces the entire backline to drop a lot deeper than Amorim would like ideally.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,371 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    Maguires 1 year option was triggered by the club i believe so doubt he'd be leaving.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,736 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Leon is coming in this summer as a LWB option so Dorgu could play a fair bit at RWB. We also have Amad for the RWB position, leaving 3 players for two positions.

    Dalot could go to another team and do well at RB for them and honestly after the season he's put in so far I'd be glad to see him gone.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,937 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    I think we will be happy to entertain any offers for him - but it would need to provide a financial boost; and given his wages and only a year on his contract I think it would be tought to find an offer that gives a decent boost, once we pay off some difference of his contract plus some amount from any transfer fee (I believe if we trigger an extention and then sell the player is due a significant percentage of the fee).

    I reckon we go for a LCB
    New LCB, Heaven, Shaw (Crock), Martinez (sigh…crock)
    MDL, Maguire
    Yoro, Mazraoui

    I assume we'd love to sell Shaw - but don't see any takers for him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,937 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    I think we 100% buy a RWB - Quenda seems the likely guy based on the transfer speculation.

    Quenda first choice RWB. Left footed, could play on the left.
    Dorgu first choice LWB. Right footed, could play on the right.

    Then as you say we'd have Amad, maybe, if we get another first choice 10. Leon though he could be a Heaven type signing rather than immediate first team signing. Amass I reckon leaves on loan at the least, if not sold. and I think there is a good chance we keep Dalot as second choice both sides.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,924 ✭✭✭Whatsisname


    This summers shaping up to be one of our most important ever. We need a huge influx of players.

    Likely outs: Rashford, Antony, Malacia, Lindelof, Eriksen, Casemiro. Garnacho could go too.

    We need arguably a GK, LCB, RWB, CM (or 2), LAM, ST. All starting quality. It’s a lot to ask when our financial situation is so dire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,225 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Yeah 100% I think Dalot's flexibility and our injury record means he's not leaving unless someone offers a substantial figure.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,916 ✭✭✭Robson99


    This is a huge problem. Our 3 cbs are way too deep in and out of posession which puts too much pressure on the middle if the park 2 . Maguire is the main problem as he's just wsy too slow. Fine in a low block structure



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,937 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    I think we need to aim for 5.

    LCB, RWB, CM, 10, ST.

    I don't see how we can not sign any of those 5 positions.

    After that, we probably still do need players - as you allude to

    A keeper if a keeper leaves - and will fund the replacement.

    Only signing one CM means we are either signing a partner for Ugarte or a rotation for him, I think we need both.

    Huijsen, Brantwaite, Igancio the obvious names for LCB.
    Quenda for RWB - there was someone else with a decent link last week but I can't remember who it was.
    CM - no idea, no strong links I'm aware of. Wharton will be mentioned. I think Hayden Hackney could be a good squad signing but probably need better as first choice. Ederson has been linked but linked to everyone.
    10 - Cunha has been mentioned but I think he will be too expensive, and saught after. Dorgeles maybe, he was linked in January but he feels like a squad signing not a first choice.
    Delap the value option here imo. Osimhen big money and wages, similar Gyokeres. Samu would need a huge fee. With Delap you are going for potential and the hope he rounds out… a familiar story! Not sure what other strikers might be looked at. David on a free, maybe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,468 ✭✭✭FrankN1


    Maybe the scouts could possibly do some work and identify an up and coming player for a small fee. Can't be any worse than paying 80m for Antony.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,937 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    I do think we'll see some more Leon, kone, heaven, chido signings.

    I think there were reports that vivel has a bunch of players, 25 across positions, that are high potential but very raw, for those low value deals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,916 ✭✭✭Robson99


    The one big take I would have from the video above is when in posession we have 4 players doing nothing. 3 cbs and Casemiro. That's way too many with no involvement in an attacking sense. It's no wonder we are creating nothing

    Look at Bayern tonight when on the front foot. 2 cbs were 20 yds inside Celtics half of the pitch pinning them back into their box. We need to be braver



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,736 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    I see wing back ( Quenda ), LCB, and ST as priority signings this summer. Quenda, Leon, and Dorgu all have that similar profile of being extremely athletic which we badly need.

    ST is a key position in how RA wants to play, if only we could merge Zirkzee and Hojlund into a single player we would be sorted (kinda).

    The key is to get through this season and stop the bleeding until we get to the summer than reset and give next season a proper go.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,371 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    It's unfair imo to lump Martinez in the crock bracket with Shaw imo.

    Season 1, metatarsal, impact / freak injury.

    Season 2, foot surgery due to inadequate treatment of the S1 injury.

    Season 2, knee ligament injury due to being mangled by a West Ham player.

    This season, ACL, freakish twist of his knee that could happen to any player.

    While I get that his availability has been poor, all of the injuries were either due to impact or poor treatment, that doesn't make a crock imo. The likes or Shaw, Mount or Jones before them are all suffering repeated injuries to muscles / ligaments. Different from Licha. Still, it's agree his availability is an issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,314 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Regardless though he's still a crock, misses way too many games, we need to move him on.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,261 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    I still wouldn't rule us out in signing Osimhen. We will be clearing out a lot of deadwood in the summer i.e. Sancho, Antony, Rashford, Lindelof and Eriksen. Thats a huge wage bill of the books. Hopefully Casemiro goes aswell. If we also sell Garnacho we should have the funds available. Also we might get money from Greenwoods possible sale.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,777 ✭✭✭Iseedeadpixels


    We need a new GK too, Onana isn't reliable at all and will cost us more points this season so can't be starting a new season with him.



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