WFH is dead and buried. Right to WFH bill is pointless

Be a slam dunk in the WRC .

“Meta said that the staff that are made redundant will be replaced by new hires meaning there will be no overall reduction in headcount.

Any vaguely competent adjudicator would see that for what it was.

Companies can and do sack people if there is not enough work there for them. Companies are there to make money, to make a return on their investment. You cannot expect a company to pay people to do nothing

In the case of the U S government, Federal staff there are being recalled to office because Covid is over and as Trump said, people working from home were playing tennis and golf and only working 10 % of the time.

Too many Federal employees abused wfh, they knew they could not be sacked, the writing is on the wall.

Nobody here wfh in this country - or the usa I guess - is ever going to stick up their hand and say they ever played sport while supposed to be wfh, never mind only worked 10% of the time. But we know those people exist. Why would'nt some people doss, especially if and when their colleagues do it to some extent and they cannot be sacked?

If you have toddlers / kids at home, and you are wfh, would YOU pay for childcare?

I would agree pips are ineffective for the most part - hugely time intensive and a real negative drain.

People working in fairly flexible work places have been doing things during work hours long before wfh become so prevalent and once you are getting your work done it’s not an issue whatsoever. I might do things while work from home that take me away from the desk but no more (and often less) than I do when in the office and that’s common really across the board from what I see. I actually think a “once I’m seen in the office” type mentality has crept in where people don’t feel they need to work as hard..

Well they can because the world has changed since Covid and at least some wfh is expected from most whose role is suitable for it. There is a major divide also in pre and post Covid contacts as remote/hybrid contracts weren’t really a thing so people starting jobs now are at an advantage. It’s hard to take after 2 years pretty much fully remote and 2 more years of hybrid to be told you must be in 5 days, people have planned their lives around the fact they have this - hence I refused to go in 5 days.

I would not take another job that did not have the wfh days or ideally fully remote contractually protected after my experience over the last year.

Let’s leave the US out of this thread as it’s irrelevant no matter what you’re fearless leader may say.

Do we know that people are going out and playing sport regularly while working? Can you provide any evidence for this?

You do realise that a lot of people have targets to reach? Proper performance metrics that can be evaluated. My own laptop locks itself after 5 mins of inactivity, it’s very easy for management to see when I’m not at my desk at home.

Again, when you provide actual evidence for your claims (that’s not Trump, Irish sources) I will respond to your queries.

Another positive attribute of Trump is that he has not YET retaliated for Taoiseach Harris calling Trump " an awful ghoul " or something like that.

Or for President Higgins who behaved appallingly also.

There have been cases in the public service of employees in the office stating at a blank computer screen for hours, with the computer not even turned on. And teachers just sitting there not teaching.

Provide a source for these claims.

Not surprised Trump said Federal workers wfh only worked 10% of the time.

Again, Trump projecting. He literally spent 1/3 of his last presidency at his own properties, not counting a round of golf once every 5 days on average.

There are even clever ways of having activity carried out on your computer even when you are not near it.

Ah, now we're getting there. You sound familiar with these…

Have any Federal employees been fired for having 4 hours, never mind 5 minutes inactivity on their computer?

How would we know? This is a thread on an Irish website, about WFH in Ireland, not US federal employees. Stick to the topic. Stop lying. And provide sources.

If you told the average 10 or 12 year old to work from home all day long, and perhaps look after the toddler in the house as well, and perhaps do a few chores like hanging out the washing, how much work do you think would get done?

Why would their parents be much different, most of the time, if working for an employer where you could not get sacked?

Trump hit the nail on the head.

So you want taxpayers now to pay for creches for the toddlers and kids of those Federal employees wfh, so those federal employees do not have to look after them at home while wfh? Would'nt it be fairer just for everyone to go back to the office as Trump ordered. No golf, no tennis, no double jobbing?

wouldn’t it be fairer if you stopped continually dragging this off topic with your completely irrelevant references to the US government

"Ah we are different " sez you. Productivity of Irish civil servants is not like productivity of USA federal employees.

I remember one other time people said "ah we are different" was during the celtic tiger. We partied, and told ourselves we would have a soft landing. We were different. How did that work out?

Covid is over. The party is over. Get back to work.

I shouldn’t be engaging but keeping your “opinion” in mind how do you square the circle with companies who have decided it’s not worth keeping the office as wfh is working just fine? The company my wife works for closed a significant number of their offices world wide including in Ireland and moved everyone in those offices to fully remote. They saw no need for the office as business is flying and spending money on empty offices was a total waste. Aside from the vast majoring staff being very happy with this my wife as said it’s made hiring for her team much simpler as they can hire people anywhere in Ireland and there is no getting approval for remote anymore as everyone is.

Do you end up having to pick up slack for people with children who are working from home and have kids in the house with them?

No.

In fact, we have less people calling in at the last minute to take the day off or having to leave work because they get a call from the creche - because they have better options that allow them to manage their work / life balance.

Despite what those who like to dwell under bridges think, it is possible to have children in the house, and still work.

This thread has nothing to do with the Celtic tiger, or US federal employees. Stay on topic, or feck off back under your bridge.

I worked all through Covid, you muppet. I'm still working. At the start of Covid, it was 100% in the office, because it was necessary, despite me being immuno-compromised. I've being WFH and WFO from mid-Covid, to date, and my productivity is greater than when I was in the office full-time. Including continuing to work when I did get Covid, because y'know what - you can do that when there's blended working. You can't if you can only work in the office. Same goes if you have any infectious disease.