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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP, Updated 18/03/25

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,959 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    From one point of view, yes. If Russia/Putin is using the "talk" between Trump and him as an armistice measure to gather time to regroup and re-arm for a fourth bite of Ukraine's territory [with Trumps adult knowledge and understanding of international conflict] merely as a smokescreen to hide behind to the loss of Ukraine and the betterment of a Greater Russia.

    Were Trump to go home after his meeting with Putin and not meet directly with Zelenskyy to brief him on what Putin said, take in what Zelenskyy says and shuttle between them as a good faith go-between or use his Sec State to do so, then it'd be business as usual Trump style. There's no point in an alleged attempt to broker an end to Putin's special military operation in Ukraine if one is cutting Ukraine out of the loop.

    The problem for Trump is his reputation as a person of good faith is shot, it goes before him….

    Edit: The problem for Putin now is that he has invested so much of Russia to his operation that he fears what would happen to him should he have to throw in the towel. I suspect he would become a disappeared failed-leader written out of Russian history. He needs Trump to pull his fat out of the fire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,604 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Considering that most of the world had accepted that Crimea is now in Russian hands( it was annexed in 2014 and not a peep about it until 3 years ago) you don’t seriously believe a solution will involve Crimea being handed back do you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,076 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Peace to me is when violence stops, armies go back home and the bombs stop being dropped

    Russification in parts of Ukraine that the population actually want to be part of Russia such as Crimea and parts of the Donbass I don't see any major issue with if it's done right. And if the people there truly wish to be part of a different country you can't really argue that it is occupation



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,428 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    You're delusional if you think Russia can go back to a peacetime economy while still under crippling sanctions from Europe.

    As for Trump, I'm sure him buying Russian oil and gas would be great for the domestic oil industry. Why should Americans buy cheap natural gas when they can buy more expensive Russian LNG?

    Infact, keeping Russia under sanctions means Europe is purchasing LNG from the US.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    So if Ireland were to achieve re-unification , would it be ok for us to send all the unionists to internment camps or take all their homes and property from them to give to "real Irish" people?

    Or maybe we force them to speak Irish and lock them up if they don't?

    Fire them from all their jobs and give those jobs to the real Irish?

    Or maybe we just murder and rape them all?

    Do you see the problem???



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,967 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    So it's fine for Putin to take large chunks of Ukraine? That's only going to embolden tyrants and imperialists which I suspect is Trump's real agenda.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,076 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    So the US buys cheap Russian oil and gas to fuel their economy cheaply while shipping their oil and LNG to Europe? Double win for trump if ever I saw it

    Russia don't give a fiddlers about what the EU does



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,076 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    How do I put this politely?

    One of these things is not like the other



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,604 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    It's a pretty simple question ( the "engine in my car" analogy is like something an auld muinteor would go on with!) Should the us and Russia talk, yes or no?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,076 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Of course not. That's why I didn't say any such thing



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,967 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    You did. You said that peace was when the fighting stops and soldiers go home. Ukrainians are fighting for the right of their country to exist. If parts of it are lost, there's nothing to stop Putin coming for the rest at his leisure.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,428 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Don't you understand the LNG from Russia would be more expensive than US piped gas.

    You want the US to replace a cheaper source of energy (US oil & Gas) with Russian oil and gas to fuel its economy? Do you not hear how crazy that sounds?

    The US is the largest producer of oil and gas, they don't need to be importing it from half a world away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,076 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Where did I say it's fine for Putin to take large chunks of Ukraine?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,940 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    There are fine balances between peace and appeasement. The message being sent to Russia is that — when all is said and done — their imperialist aggression will be rewarded eventually and the West has no stomach for any retaliation that goes beyond proxy participation, economic sanctions and lighting city halls up in blue and yellow lights.

    The victory for Russia goes far beyond this immediate conflict as well. They successfully unleashed a refugee and cost of living crisis on Western Europe that has left its resolve fragmented, with the united front of the early days of the war now long replaced with each country pointing fingers domestically at migrants and losing interest in the wider world. They now also have an increasingly imperialist United States — with an imperialist President pushing for imperialist things and willingly cheered on in this endeavour by many American people — who are clearly delivering the message that Eastern Europe is Russia's to threaten and the US will focus instead on their own territorial and influence endeavours in places like Greenland and the Middle East.

    The problem is that Trump seems to actually like Putin more than he likes his own allies. That in itself is pretty concerning.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,967 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Not really.

    You say that Russia should get to keep Crimea and Donbass because "most" of the residents want to be Russian - Not sure that's true though.

    You also say that "Russification" is ok as well for the same reasons.

    Were we happy with the Anglicization of NI ??

    Would the Unionist population be happy if we did to them all the things that we KNOW Russia are already doing to Donbass and Crimea to those that aren't loyal to them???

    Things that would only continue and indeed accelerate if they were allowed to officially take control of these areas?

    Russia should get NOTHING in return for their actions over the last decade , absolutely NOTHING.

    Giving them anything will only further embolden Putin , he'll use the downtime to rearm and replenish and simply go again , either back into Ukraine or into any other of the neighbouring States that he has his eye on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,116 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    "Most Irish aren't thick enough to buy the MAGA crap"

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    😳😳😳😳

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,967 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    How does this single example represent "most Irish"?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,343 ✭✭✭crusd


    So Trump is going to destroy the US oil and gas industry by importing cheaper stuff from Russia? I wouldn't rule it out that he would do it so he can say - look I made gas cheaper, but it would be a monumental cock up and only produce a short term benefit while losing energy independence

    The break even cost on oil is about 50% higher in the US than Russia



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    Sure the Danes could manage the escrow account to make sure it happens?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,062 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I expect that Trump will offer Zelensky a pretty cold ultimatum in private - something like the following:

    Trump intends to normalise relations with Russia. He will do this whether or not Ukraine agrees to a peace deal. He will commence normalisation by a certain date. He will have his rare earths either way, he will say. The only difference would be whether it is a Ukrainian rump state handing them over, or Russia.

    Zelensky would obviously be well within his rights to tell Trump where to go with this, but Ukraine still needs military support, so European countries will have to step up big time. Can't say I was hugely inspired by NATO chief Mark Rutte's latest speech on this. He was definitely paying lip service to the idea, but hardly a rousing statement of defiance. He sounded like an accountant reading out a quarterly summary or something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    Therein is the issue, European reporting is unashamedly anti-Trump and show their bias like a badge of honour. A fair cohort of the US Media done the same when Trump was POTUS 45, but this time round they seem a little more nuanced and less biased on the TV at least.

    I do often wonder if European and in particular Irish media ever take a step back and realise that this one-sided bull is increasingly being rejected by the public. Right-leaning movements and alternative medias are gaining in popularity all over Europe.

    Like the US Dems and most of the US Media, their European counterparts are going to be irrelevant soon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,488 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,967 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,343 ✭✭✭crusd


    And still the stupid assumption is that Russian speaker = Russian supporter continues. Most of those who fled the Donbass region both during the initial conflict and the subsequent Russian occupation fled west to other areas of Ukraine and not east to Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,741 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    You should check out how certain ethnic groups were targeted when Russia was just occupying Crimea, disappearings were very much so a thing and this time round will be worse. You seem to think ethnic cleansing is all good if it's not too violent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,837 ✭✭✭Nermal


    Well, tearing down statues and renaming monuments and institutions is something we associate with real wars, not metaphorical ones, isn't it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,116 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    It doesn't.

    It does however show that there are people like this, and significant in amount so as to vote for and succesfully elect someone who is Trumpian in nature.

    The poster I was responding to in the original exchange suggested that most Irish people would see through this nonsense. My example puts that into question.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,959 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Russification was the justification behind Hitlers war on Europe, only it was called Germanification and the return of territory to a greater Germany/Austria Reich. Its a shame that Putin is now playing Hitlers card in Europe given what his country did to defeat the horror of ultra-nationalism and the notion of "greater-statehood" back in the 40's.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,741 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Statues do come down down due to growing irrelevance or simply that they're offensive. I'm happy for them to lobbed in museums. Let's just remember, the biggest event for retaining a statue was arranged by neo Nazis and ended up with the murder of a woman.

    Just as an fyi, plenty of countries took down their Soviet era statues and monuments after the Ukraine invasion. None of those countries were actively at war. There was simply a consideration of what they represented.



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