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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP, Updated 18/03/25

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,959 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Tonight's Trump TV broadcast of "facts" was something else. Calling the reporters there asking him questions at his request liars and telling the world that he and Putin are going to meet in Saudi Arabia to have a peace conference over the Ukraine war without Ukraine's Govt being there, then rubbing salt into Ukraine's wound by questioning the validity of its presidential election system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,959 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    They do have an recognized ambassador and an embassy here on Leeson St.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,034 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    You are right, the stance from the US and Trump is unusual



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,077 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,419 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 798 ✭✭✭reclose


    You are a strange poster. I said the people of Greenland should decide what they want and you seem to be implying that I support the US taking over them.
    I have no idea where you have got this from.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,116 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


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    Brazen gaslighting.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,270 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    US already have a big base there. They could take Greenland on a friday afternoon and who would stop them?

    If they voted for independence they'd cede protection from NATO, and the EU, and Denmark would hardly go to war to protect an ex colony.

    Russia might have something to say, but only if they want Greenland for themselves

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,270 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    The new Axis of Evil

    Saudi Arabia, Russia and the United States of America

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 189 ✭✭tarvis




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,369 ✭✭✭Field east


    imagine the US holding itself up as - I assume- an negotiator, peacemaker, facilitator Of peace between two countries and ESPECIALLY because of what has been said by Trump and Hazgard at the NATO meeting over the last day or two . As a matter of fact one need to go no further than the way Trump is approaching the ‘ achievement of peace’ in Gaza to conclude that it is 100% NOT NEUtRAL.

    IT has unashamedly NAILED it’s colours to the mast as to which side it is on

    There is a book called ‘Snakes in Suits’ - a riveting read. It will give you SOME IDEA as to some of the personalities involved in the US Administration - especially at least some of those at the very top



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,959 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    I regret your politicians answer is a non answer. It might be better if we both take a neutral position about our posts on this issue by using the "ignore" option Boards provides us.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    I haven't seen specifics but I do know that each trip back to Mar-a-Lago costs $3M+ so it wouldn't surprise me to hear that a single trip to an event like the Superbowl with all the additional risks and exposures would cost multiples of that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,959 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    It looks like it might be a valid position for NATO members to go direct to the GOP members of the US Senate and House of Congress and ask them if they agree with the "isolationist" route their head of state has take their country on where it's NATO obligations are concerned and if they agree with him that the US is no longer a willing working partner in the NATO treaty group, that they accept he is revoking US working membership of NATO with his statement of using US military to seize Danish territory. The response from the GOP members would be of obvious interest to NATO, Trump, Ukraine and Russia.

    It seems to me that, by de-facto walking away from NATO, Trump has no authority to tell NATO that he, not it, will decide who can, and who cannot, be a member of NATO. Ditto for the EU.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,837 ✭✭✭Nermal


    I remember plenty of po-faced lectures from your side about 'what free speech actually meant' over the course of the previous administration when the tech giants and government conspired to supress opinions they didn't like.

    So I take great pleasure in pointing out to you that no-one is preventing AP from calling it whatever they like, and thus free speech is not in peril.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,837 ✭✭✭Nermal


    Gaining the upper hand in the culture war doesn't just involve defunding your enemies. You must spend on your own cause as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,692 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Banning the AP from the briefing room is an assault on freedom of the press and freedom of speech. This isn't the corner pub, this is the WH press briefing room. If the US government really supports freedom of the press - they seem to, with allowing criminal Andrew Breitbart's disinformation mouthpiece there as well as other disinformation excrement - the AP should never have been banned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,959 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    I'd see any use of US military force by Trump to be an instant revoking of its working NATO partnership with Denmark and all the other NATO members, resulting in a note of regret being passed by one or more other NATO ambassadors to the US on Trumps statement.

    The other NATO countries may have already done so politely, with polite asides about trust in the US not to use its bases in those countries for special military operations against them in their own territories being weakened.

    I don't see Russia taking any actions, even through mercenary proxy forces, as Putin wont want, cant afford, direct military wars on several home fronts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    Sure Biden (and all who went before him too) whenever he was half bothered, waltz around the US and beyond attending events free of charge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    Geographically speaking it would made good sense. Could the Canadians afford it? The Canadians would have to turn from being one of the biggest laggards in NATO financial contributions to being on a par with the US in contributions.

    Any tariffs from the US on Canada would make that financial objective very difficult for them to achieve.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    The costs of Trumps "personal time" far exceeded the costs incurred by other Presidents.

    Obama played Golf for example , but the majority of the time when he played it was at a golf course on a Military base not far from Washington or at Camp David (which has a 9 hole course I think). As a result the costs were kept quite low generally speaking.

    Trump however only plays at HIS courses in either NY/NJ or in Florida so it is both more expensive for him to do so AND he actually pockets most of the money because her charges the federal government exorbitant fees for accommodation for his security teams , he even charges them top dollar for the Golf carts they use to follow him around the course.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,959 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Just free questioning of the press secretary on what her boss said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,739 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    The irony is that there will be complete silence on this from the people labeling previous costs as scandalous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,061 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Let me ask ye this question -

    Where do you think 'the line' is for US Democrats, for the US left wing and opponents of Trump is in general?

    Or does this line even exist?

    Because MAGA/Republicans/right-wing Americans had lines. It was always made clear, for example, that violence would ensue if the second amendment of the US Constitution was violated in any significant way.

    There is no equivalent on the other side, it would seem. All they're doing is pointing out how illegal and unconstitutional much of the crap that Trump and co are doing.

    But here's the thing about that - Trump and Musk's ongoing rampage through the US government is moving at a pace the law cannot really catch up with, so pointing out the many legal issues with it doesn't actually do anything other than maybe give the critic a sense of moral superiority.

    Because of the incrementalism we've seen in US politics over the last decade to where the US president calling for ethnic cleansing in Gaza is just another news day, it's hard to imagine any one thing which would be a sufficient shock to the system that it would spur Trump's opponents into the kind of action actually needed to defeat him.

    The only thing I can come up with would be if Trump declared the Democratic party to be an illegal terrorist organisation and had all of its top members rounded up, and sent to Gitmo without trial.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,741 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    With any luck, Trump chokes on Putins cock at their meeting in Saudi.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,840 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    Camp David golf course isn't quite 9 hole !
    It's one green with various tee boxes to make it (kinda) a 4 hole pitch and putt course.
    Its more of a novelty than anything approaching a serious course. I doubt Obama used it more than twice.

    Some pics and vids
    Camp David Golf



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 30,637 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    The thing to remember about the MAGA right's supposed committment to 'freedom of speech' is that it solely applies to them being able to spout off whatever vile, bigoted thing they want without facing any consequences. The hypocrisy is as blatant as it is shameless, given much of the first month of Trump's term has been spent using the power of the state to aggressively police and punish the sort of speech (and, frankly, the type of people) they do and do not consider "acceptable". Musk is another great example of this - supposedly a transparency and free speech absolutist, but the press revealing details about his DOGE minions is 'illegal doxxing'. They don't give a jot about freedom of speech - they just want to be able to operate however they want without any consequences.

    They are much more committed to 'owning the libs', rewriting the rules to their own benefit and enforcing their will upon their populace than any kind of ideological or philosophical consistency.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    The point made in the past was about who and what the 1st amendment applied to.

    Private entities are NOT subject to the 1st amendment so any Company can decide who they want to work with or what you can say in their place of business be it real or virtual.

    However , the Government is absolutely categorically subject to the 1st amendment and them kicking out a news organisation because they won't say what they want is as clear cut a breach of that amendment as you could possibly see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,061 ✭✭✭✭briany


    It's a breach of the US Constitution, and the Trump government will most likely continue to breach the US Constitution as they see fit, with little to no comeback.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,739 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Can you point to anything that indicates Greenland has a desire to join the US? Cause the only poll I've seen says exact opposite.

    Cause ATM, your logic appears to be that Trump wants something ergo he'll get it.



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