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Six Nations 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,470 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    😁

    Meaning, they have to have played 25 times for Wales before getting the call?

    Do we know who is on that list?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,830 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    Just looking at the current squad and it looks like they've dropped that requirement. WillGriff John and Freddie Thomas have single figure caps for Wales. Probably more as they now have eleven in the squad who don't play in Wales.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,830 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    He reckons Wales would think he's the man for the job. I think he's on the fence himself. But there are a few obstacles, one, that he'd have to be bought out of his IRFU contract, two, that he'd be picking up a basket case and three, that he'd be missing the RWC with Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,466 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    What do people think of the new rule whereby if the attacking team is held up over the line it's a goal line drop out.

    I really think it stinks. When you see the attacking team losing up to 40 metres of territory for no real reason it seems hugely unjust to me. But maybe the real rugby heads can put me right?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,830 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    On first look, it seems unfair to the attacking team (previously they would have had a 5m scrum), but the idea behind it is to (1) reward the defending team for good defence (2) stop or reduce the relentless pick and goes that were causing a lot of collision injuries and (3) to make teams play to the backs more and improve the spectacle.



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  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,834 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Not really a "new rule" though.

    It's here over four years at this stage. It came in with the 50-22.

    Personally I'm surprised attacks haven't evolved yet to deal better with it.

    Defenses have, in that you'll see in some situations where defenders will actively pull the attackers over the line to hold them up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,219 ✭✭✭hold my beer


    Yeah I hated it at 1st but think it's a decent rule now. Good defence should be rewarded in the situation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,972 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Matt Sherratt begins coaching the Wales team next Monday apparently. It's not enough time to sort through all the issues Wales have, but at the very least you'd think they'd look more organised in attack.

    The games against France and Italy were like watching rugby from 10 years ago. Attackers were static receiving the ball and positioned so far behind the gain line that they never generated any momentum.

    If they can recall Gareth Anscombe he should be parachuted into 10 immediately. Bring back Cam Winnett too. He's very inexperienced still, but he's a sight better than Liam Williams who offers very little in attack these days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,485 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Whisperings about Lancaster too, id hope neither take the job though for the reasons i said above, whoever takes it now will be lumbered with a decade of WRU mismanagement



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,470 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    One of those, I hate it when it's us in attack, damn glad of it when it's us in defence.
    It's fair enough on balance.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,417 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    A good defence shouldn't need to be banking on getting a body under the attempted try scorer. I think it rewards bad defending.

    Not that I have any sort of strong view on it one way or the other.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,219 ✭✭✭hold my beer


    All teams will have to defend at times, and it's extremely hard to stop a team scoring from close in. If a team does it, they should be rewarded imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,830 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    Yeah. The WRU have lost money over the last couple of years, have reduced their investment in the regions, sold off The Dragons and just seem to lurch from one crisis to another.

    Now, they'll have to pay off Gatland and if they wanted Easterby would have to buy him out too.

    I suspect they'll try and get someone who's not in a current contract. Someone like Lancaster or Rowntree.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,219 ✭✭✭hold my beer


    Lancaster would be great for Wales.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,019 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    I really can't see it. If Easterby finishes out the Six Nations with a win or a Grand Slam, he's suddenly in the picture and likely next in line for the Ireland job when Farrell moves on. And if he doesn't want to wait, he'll come out of this year with such a high stock that taking over such a basket case like Wales would seem like a needless step down to a poisoned chalice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,466 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    Fair enough. Can't say I noticed it before but I only watch the six nations.

    I wonder if they could split the difference between a 5 metre scrum and a drop out because these guys kick it big distances these days. It is basically back in midfield.

    Attacking scrum on the 22?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,219 ✭✭✭hold my beer


    The less scrums the better for me. There's more than enough of them as is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,836 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey


    Would have preferred a scrum awarded to the attacking side on the 22, but since the attacking side (usually) gets possession back from the goal line drop out, it's marginal. Single attackers are sometimes 'held up' by one tackler, which is brilliant defense and deserves reward.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,677 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Can the Wales destroy your reputation? I don't think it's done that to Gatland.

    The way I see it, if you manage to beat Italy you've done a good job. Reach the knockout stages at the World Cup and you've really enhanced your reputation.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,370 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    With the changes to the scrum laws I'd just have it as a free kick on the 22 in line with where it was held-up.



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  • Administrators Posts: 56,226 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Maybe in a player development role but definitely not as their head coach.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,370 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    What Wales need is a Conor O'Shea type given cart blanche to reset and rebuild how the whole game works there.

    You have a situation where the Pro-game is run by mostly "alickadoos" from the amateur clubs across the country and them perpetuating the pre 1995 model where the majority of the money coming into the system is given back to all the Amateur clubs who then go and spend it on clubhouses and boot money for lads turning out for local J2 club sides across the country.

    The remarkable group of players (Warburton , AWJ , Jonathan Davies et al) that they had that all came through together in the early to mid 2010's papered over the massive structural problems they have.

    They are gone now with no likelihood they'll be replaced - Look at the state of their U20's for the last 5+ years.

    Until they fix the structures and the way they manage their finances , it doesn't matter who they make Coach/Director or Rugby, they'll never succeed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,019 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    Gatland has more than enough credit in the bank though so he's not a fair comparative point. Someone taking the job as their first full job has everything to lose. If the trajectory continues (which to be fair, is very possible), they could end up in a far worse position than where they started.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,417 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Garland's reputation was pretty secure. Someone like Easterby coming in with no major track record could be damaged by them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,677 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I wonder what's the interest like now from kids?

    If kids aren't playing you are in big trouble.

    You can find a way to make the senior team at least competitive. It mightn't be pretty but making games closer is important.

    I'm in agreement with you as regards a Conor O'Shea type as a director of rugby.

    They have a lot to fix as you say, it's going to take time but if they aren't able to keep a couple of games tight in the Six Nations I'd be concerned about the interest of young kids.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,830 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    Exactly. Gatland has a massive reputation going back decades with a very successful tenure as Welsh coach in his first stint and a number of successful Lions tours. It's a bit tarnished by this present stint - some commentators are saying he was out of date (which could well be true) - but won't really cause him any difficulty since he's unlikely to be looking for another job. And if he wanted to, he'd waltz into a punditry role easily.

    Somebody trying to make a reputation? There are more downsides than up with Wales. It seems people have forgotten that they had a player's strike just before they were due to play England two years ago.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,370 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    That's another problem.

    Soccer in Wales has got it's act together and the National side is fairly decent lately.

    Swansea and Cardiff have both been in the Premiership in recent years and still pull in good crowds every week.

    You also have the "Wrexham effect" with the huge visibility the Netflix series has provided etc.

    Link that to the fact that the Welsh public genuinely don't seem to give a toss about their URC teams and you have a huge problem.

    But they have to fix the foundations 1st.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,370 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    That's why I think their best bet is an older guy with a reputation that's already secured.

    No one will "build" a reputation coaching Wales for the next few years , but an older guy like a Wayne Smith might be able at least to "polish the turd" and get them a few wins and decent performances whilst the structural rebuild is in progress.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,958 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Molecast made the point that Gatland hasn't done anything of note without Edwards, who ought to be credited more for the success.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,485 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Squidge made some good points on a vid i was watching today, Gatland despite his success was also asleep at the wheel on player development, he was there for the entire period where the WRU butchered the player development paths and he completely missed the connection that the IRFU figured out about how important it was and thought "there's a pool of great players and always will be so i don't need to worry about that".

    He lived on the golden age of players from the end of that pipeline and then when he came back for his second stint started to bear the brunt of that shortsightedness and lack of involvement.

    This is a key part of why to me its a poison chalice job as unless there's a massive overhaul for player development as a whole as well the patience to wait for it to produce results, not to mention massive WRU management changes, then welsh rugby is in a death spiral.



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