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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,179 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    The 6N is meaningless for them at this point anyhow. One assumes Sherratt won't be long term but I have no idea how they attract a top tier coach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,502 ✭✭✭P.Walnuts


    Graham Rowantree perhaps?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,800 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Where did I say Milne should be capped? I don't think either of them should be capped.

    I don't think there should be any changes for the Wales game. They might be weak but this is the premium and only important international tournament we have this year. We want a big win and our starters should give us that.

    You can give all these lads opportunities and caps in the summer.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,432 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    No one with any aspirations for a coaching future will touch Wales the way they are right now.

    The entire structure of the game there needs to be torn apart and rebuilt from the ground up.

    Their best bet might be to try to get an "elder stateman" type coach to come in for a season or two while they try to sort things out.

    Like a Wayne Smith or a Nick Mallet type .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,800 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    There's your ageism again, ruling out Healy.

    mod: warned.

    Post edited by awec on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,830 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    Not a bad shout. But I always felt he was a long term second fiddle because he wasn't up to doing the top job. Nothing since has changed my mind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,800 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    He won the URC with Munster. He'd be a good short term coach to get things on the right track.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,830 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    Not sure if serious, but ageism does not apply in sports for obvious reasons. Not least because these aren't octogenarians we're talking about.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,964 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,432 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    "Getting things on the right track" for Wales right now has almost nothing whatsoever to do with the coach of the National team.

    You could drop in a veritable "dream team" of coaches and Wales would still be absolute muck for the foreseeable future.

    Most of the current Welsh squad would struggle to make an Irish Provincial starting 15 let alone International standard one.

    The problems are far far deeper and worse than just the quality of coaching for the team.

    Any coach looking to progress and develop should run away very fast from any association with the Welsh set-up right now.

    There is almost no way you walk away from that in a few years with an improved reputation.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,623 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    Now you're just being ridiculous. Thinking that a promising, up and coming player in his early 20s will move ahead of a 37 year old veteran by the end of the season is actually a very reasonable thought to have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,502 ✭✭✭P.Walnuts


    I'm not sure you're replying to someone posting in good faith here folks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,822 ✭✭✭50HX


    Haven't we come a long way when there are posts about getting Ben murphyc10/15mins v wales when the game is won

    I'm all for blooding players,provided tney are pushing hard to get into the team, summer & autumn is the time for that.

    6nations = cash cow for IRFU, that has to be protected & as a result respected.

    Re Tom Ahern, fine player & goes well for us at Munster but I haven't seen anything from him to say he should be warranting a green jersey just yet

    The outlier with these examples is CHealy who clearly is now only there for scrummaging ability but his selection would support a coaches view that in order to get my jersey you have to out play me....no loosehead or scrumhalf in the past w seasons can knock Healy or Murray out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,604 ✭✭✭ersatz


    Our points difference from the Wales/Italy games will be crucial if we don't get over France and want to win the title. France piled up a big score on Wales who will have a new coach and literally nothing to lose, in Cardiff. I can't see the coaches taking anything for granted or using the game to experiment. Easterly has a grand slam on the line!

    On Wales, they need a DOR as much as a coach, someone is going to have to come in and take over by restructuring the entire union if there is any prospect of turning things around long term.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,179 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I don't really see much change no, but some starters to the bench seems like a pretty reasonable expectation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,800 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye




  • Administrators Posts: 56,319 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    On Saturday, when Garry Ringrose moved from being a starter to being on the bench.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 780 ✭✭✭ShineyShiney


    Ahhh stop now with your common sense will ya 😀



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,179 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    And if this is insufficient, then against Italy last year when Casey, Conan, Baird, Bealham, McCloskey all came in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77




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  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,964 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Also kicked the longest kick so far the competition



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,109 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Fast, flat and bang on target, off his weak side. He's an elite passer, and I'd posit, already one of the best in the game



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 734 ✭✭✭darkened_scrum


    You can see some of that smart ball data here:
    https://media.sixnationsrugby.com/matchreports/smart-ball-post-round-report-round-1-4/

    How you interpret this is a whole other thing but there is some interesting stuff. Against England, Prendergast's average pass was over twice as long as Crowley at 7.4m vs 3.5m, and there's a huge difference in the average speed they pass the ball at 33.3kph vs 24.9kph



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,659 ✭✭✭almostover


    I wouldn't be in favour of wholesale changes v Wales. They'll play with pride and passion at home and will get stuck into us. Their pride is wounded and although I don't think they're good enough to beat us, they are good enough to lose by less than 1 score if we select a team that doesn't show them respect. We could rue such a decision if we come unstuck vs. France and have to go to Rome chasing a huge points differential vs. an improved Italy.

    I'd make 2 changes in the pack, start Joe McCarthy instead of Beirne, who needs a rest. Beirne to bench then at 19 and to play 10 mins max. Also, Conan deserves a start. POM did well last week but Conan has been playing really well. I'd keep Baird in the 20 shirt and bring on for VdF after 50 mins. Move Doris to 7 then and Conan to 8.

    I'd start Prendergast again, he's the horse that's backed now and he seems to be improving the more time he gets. He's certainly not out of his depth at this level and now that he's been selected, I think we will benefit more as a team having him at 10 for the rest of the tournament. Crowley on after 50-60 then. I'd also keep Nash at 14 regardless of Hansen's fitness. Hansen in the 23 shirt for me. Aki rested totally. Start Henshaw at 12 and Ringrose at 13, Crowley can cover 12 and 15 if injury arises. Other than that, no changes. Boyle hasn't surpassed Healy at Leinster yet so forget about it. Same with Conor Murray, only Casey is currently ahead of him. The rest are prospects and that's all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 945 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    agree and nobody deserves to be thrown a cap for Ireland just for the sake of it. Feels diminishing of value and the 6N competition . Autumn series a more appropriate format for that, this is the business end of 6N



  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 9,483 ✭✭✭fitz


    The kind of pass that pundits would be absolutely raving about nonstop if Finn Russell threw it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭thePigeon_


    I’d happily see TOT or Boyle start at LH with Porter coming off the bench. The idea that Healy is a level above Boyle currently in any facet of play doesn’t stack up. There is no real risk to swapping him out.

    I also think henshaw’s passing has been all over the place this season so would be keen on Osborne or Aki at 12 with Ringrose 13. Otherwise I’m with you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,800 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    That's the same 23 though and even bringing an experienced player into the 23 is completely different to what people are saying here. They want three or four inexperienced players not only brought in but starting.



  • Site Banned Posts: 4,164 ✭✭✭Oíche Na Gaoithe Móire


    From the best of my knowledge our biggest win was 54-10 over Wales in Lansdowne in 2002. First game for Eddie O'Sullivan and POC's first cap. I think he went off with a concussion after scoring a try.

    We'll be sending out a strong team in 10 days to try and equal or better that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,740 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Does Furlong need to win his place back from Bealham now? Or does Furlong just go straight back in as starter? Would Furlong have bench impact?

    Bealham has been really solid this last year. I think I forgot how good Keenan is, between the 7s and injury. When he came back for leinster in the Champions cup i realised how he makes everything better when he plays.

    I wonder if Bealham is the man to start or maybe I've just forgotten how good Furlong is.



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