Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

Exactly. People who "grade" other people based on nationality tend to have a massive distrust and dislike of people in general whether they be from Spain or the next Parish.

That poster is looking for an explanation of what is meant by "Ireland First" or what they think defines someone as "Irish"?

Can you explain what you mean? Do they need to have red hair and freckles? Can a mixed race individual be deemed as Irish? How about a family who have lived here for multiple generations but were once originally from Germany?

You have that backwards, the people who have an irrational fear of people from different countries believe the default position of these people are they are a negative on society.

Fortunately these would be a very small minority evidenced by the latest general election.

@Boggles

Fortunately these would be a very small minority evidenced by the latest general election.

You're suggesting that because it's another FF/FG government that the public are happy with immigration. I think it's more to do with lack of an alternative party who would take a more pragmatic approach to immigration than a big thumbs up for the current lot.

Using your logic that would mean we're all happy with long hospital waiting lists, a large increase in the cost of living with stagnant wages and so on.

So to get back on topic of immigration not politics it's most simply a case of logistics. Having increasing amounts of people arriving here is putting pressure on existing resources and a sinkhole of money being thrown at it is causing other areas to lose out in funding.

That's just common sense.

Having increasing amounts of people arriving here is putting pressure on existing resources

The people arriving here are positively impacting resources.

See above.

You're suggesting that because it's another FF/FG government that the public are happy with immigration

They are certainly happy about FF/FG, we are entering our 2nd 100 years of them.

Ah that good old “Criticism of current immigration policies means you are entirely against all immigration in any form” strawman

I’d love to see a counter of how many times someone’s tried that particular facile, bad faith old chestnut on in related threads. Don’t think it’s ever worked.

What percentage of those construction workers and doctors are asylum seekers/ economic migrants?

Or are you trying to mix up people who came here through official channels and work visas with those who arrive here from (and I'll be generous) conflict zones.

The poster spoke about unsustainable mass immigration putting pressure on services to which Boggles replied speaking about doctors and stating “without immigration we would be proper fecked”…as if the poster they were replying to had in any way intimated that all immigration should be ended full stop. Like I said, a facile strawman argument that has been attempted umpteen times in similar threads.

It’s a bad faith attempt at making it into a black and white all or nothing issue devoid of any nuance. People mostly see right through it thankfully.

Try again

No they deliberately choose two essential sectors both of which are literally on the critical skills visa and not representative of the unsustainable migration policies the poster was criticising.
It’s a cheap (and transparent) attempt to muddy the waters and act is if that’s what the poster they’re replying to is calling for.

Not to mention their blanket statement “We would be proper fecked without immigration” again, as if the poster had said anything to the effect that there should be no more immigration whatsoever henceforth.

Immigrants here do not include those 250k who have been granted citizenship since the naughties. Those statistics are only meaningful if immigrants by definition those born abroad and who moved here are categorised and recorded by country of birth. Unfortunately some countries have high unemployment rates from the 2016 census so we decided those racist statistics couldn't be updated in the 2022 census. I wonder what NGO lobbied for that. Citizenship skews every metric recorded now with market participation and unemployment. 2024 had 30k Citizenships with net migration of over 70k in 2024 there will be more citizenships in 3 to 5 years time. In fact we have one of the largest demographic changes of any country in Europe in the past generation with nearly 1/4 of the population here now born abroad. Considering in the 1990s 3% were born abroad that's a fairly seismic shift in one generation.

The hospitals are creaking now. Eventually they will collapse. We cannot out build this population growth. Not houses, not Schools, not hospitals and not nursing homes. We are all going to have to get used to more basic services. Standards have dropped and they will continue to do so as time goes on . It’s long been the case that we are not training Irish medical students. It really is shocking what’s going on in universities and hospitals. All this to “grow the economy “ . It’s all just about the money.

Our nurses, doctors are leaving because they can get better conditions elsewhere. This is a problem of our own doing. That’s why I have to laugh when people say that healthcare would collapse without immigration.

The thread is about immigration, the OPs post was about immigration.

Another imagined strawman.