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Air Corps SAR

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 584 ✭✭✭vswr


    technically it's not cover service…. Bristow aren't fully on their own until summer 2025 (with options in place).

    It's more so in CHC's interest for Bristow to onboard as soon as possible, but it is in no way costing Bristow (just yet).

    i.e. contract overlap



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,370 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Ah certain Senator i would say is skirting on Libel statements about the incoming contractor at the moment



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,370 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Bristow have taken over shannon this weekend from CHC i believe



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,338 ✭✭✭EchoIndia


    CHC performed their last operartional flight from SNN yesterday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,370 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Did they hold an offical cermoney and handing over? There dose not seam to be much mention of the handover anywhere.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,338 ✭✭✭EchoIndia




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,809 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    They are a commercial civilian outfit. Ceremonials don't really arise.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,044 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    In fairness, you might expect a cake, or a ribbon cutting in front of the 189 or something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,370 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    A bit of a low blow from chc saying bristow under cut them. Also in the article it says they are looking at other contracts. Could CHC have there hat in the ring for HEMS?

    https://m.independent.ie/business/irish/search-and-rescue-firm-chc-ireland-makes-a-loss-of-87m-as-revenue-dips/a275086988.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,809 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Undercut them? In a competitive tendering process?? Well call the FBI!

    At least if that is the whinge going on, the taxpayer can be relatively satisfied with the value.

    My guess is that the HEMS is just too small fry for CHC on a global scale, and that CHC Ireland will be wound up and they will move on.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,370 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Former IRCG head chris renyolds is also now putting his toe in to this contract with his say.

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/irish-coast-guard-defends-its-decision-over-appointment-at-doolin-unit/a1380707648.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,370 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    I see in the indo this morning there is story on bristow having to stand down the shannon helicopter due to crew shortages at times this week. At this stage the orginal air corps staff that went to CHC are all older now and retiering.

    This will probably be an issue for any company in this line of work as were do you get the staff unless the companys train them fresh themselves and create a new pool of staff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,809 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    You get them internationally, most probably from Bristow's existing roster of over 3,000 crew.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,370 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    So the ABP case outcome for IRCG base in Weston is due in the next few weeks. Its very hard to call what way it will go.

    If it goes against the coastguard from what i understand DAA will fight tooth and nail to keep them out of dublin airport in July.

    So because IRCG are a state organisation ( with a private company working for them) Could the government force the Defence forces to allow Bristow operate out of Casement?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,135 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    Let's have a small game of 'call the decision'.

    My simplistic guess: DAA will overule the appeal as its a SAR-only service with a limited scope for excessive noise.

    Next.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,370 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    I am so on the fence here as it could go anyway. There is a Precedence here as ABP ruled in the past against previous expansion at weston.

    Than you have the submissions some which were very poor and were more emotion than Fact.

    If it does get the go ahead expect Joe Duffy meltdown next Autumn went the locals here the AW189 starting up at 3am in the morning.

    I have spoken to some people with a planning background previously about it and technially the way Bristow are set up in the Hangar at the moment there would be nothing to stop them working out of there as there is noting in writing when it comes to planning to stop and aircraft working at night.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,215 ✭✭✭Psychlops


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,370 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    It looks like ABP has kicked the SAR base in weston down the road a little further. At this stage Bristow should withdrawn the applcation, set up the service base in shannon or other regional airport with hanger space and just operate SAR opeations out of weston as they are now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,215 ✭✭✭Psychlops


    There is no SAR operating out of Weston, I think you mean Dublin, Ive said it before, the move to Weston makes no sense, there is a lovely brand new hanger in Dublin Airport that comfortably takes 2 S92 like it does right now, they dont need to be moving anywhere. Stupid move, now apparently in talks with the IAC, good luck with that.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,370 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    the Current weston Hanger is BIL HQ. Again as i have said this not BIL problem the contract stated within 15km of Dublin Airport while the DAA made it clear that they wanted no SAR aircraft on there property so where could they go?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,809 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    This is simply another matter where the government needs to step in and have a legislative hammer to break this vexatious nonsense.

    SAR infrastructure should be treated the same as defence infrastructure. Minister stamps an order, 'its going there and thats that.'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,215 ✭✭✭Psychlops


    Who knows but the IAC/IRCG dont see eye to eye so I doubt they will be welcome at Bal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,809 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    No, but that's precisely why the government should see to it, without delay, that their accommodation at Weston proceeds without further impediment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,370 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    i see everyones favourite Senator is up in arms again for the SAR contract that Shannon is still only 12hr operation and with sligo due to transfer on the 14th it will also be 12hr operation due to the operational issues it looks likem

    To ensure cover for the west coast will one CHCs helicopters be deployed from waterford or Dublin to the west to keep night time cover or would the two 12 hour bases in the west just take turns on day and night shifts?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,809 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Oh he got reelected did he?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 584 ✭✭✭vswr


    Next Helo, EI-IRS is almost to Ireland.

    Currently in the Bristow facility in Solent Airport, South England as of yesterday.

    https://www.facebook.com/100008373403439/videos/980752297453127/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,215 ✭✭✭Psychlops


    They will not be re deployed from Dublin or Waterford as that is their home bases, they will leave from Dublin/Waterford & recover to Dublin/Waterford, traditionally R116 would cover R118 when R118 was offline & R117 would cover R115 when R115 was offline ( which was never for a long time ) & they (R116/R117) would also cover when R115/R118 were engaged in taskings so I am guessing that is what will happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,370 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Yes but sending a helicopter from the east coast to west coast for a rescue would add an extra 30 mins flight time and depending on the location of the rescue could require a fuel stop



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,215 ✭✭✭Psychlops


    And thats what they do & have done for the past 20 years?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,370 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    I dont belive Shannon & Sligo would have been closed at the same time. There would have been a resource avilable on the west coast at all times.

    the main problem seams to be that most european nations with coastlines still have SAR as a military role but when the UK & Ireland started using private contractors they took on former UK Military crews in the UK and in Ireland a mix of irish air corps and UK former military to staff the contracts.

    Now that line of staff has dried up and all contractors are struggling to get experiened crew.

    Expect this to become a poltical football over the coming weeks

    Edit: According to the Indo today Bristow and IRCG have asked CHC to stay in Sligo indefinitely. But CHC want a date which is fair so they can plan themselfs.

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