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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 200 ✭✭tbm


    POM selection does seem a bit regressive, but it’s a selection to win this game. He has such a history of niggle with the Scot’s. Used to rile Hogg up, and iirc actually took Russell out of a game at Murrayfield a few years ago?


    Lineout shouldn’t disapprove, and POM will draw the attention of the Scotish back row, and probably Russell.

    would have liked to see Baird stuck with, but I can see the logic in this



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,944 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    I would have replaced Baird with Izzy.

    Disappointed with lack of Ulster rep



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,322 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Healy & POM probably won't make the Lions, I hope they aren't included in the summer tour. We need to use the tour to look at replacements



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,811 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Bit of a Freudian slip there. Sure I've only just got used to not saying "Schmidt", give me a break.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,753 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    It's likely to be POM's last start so probably just enjoy it.

    I'm assuming he's retiring from international rugbybafter this 6N and retiringbfullybat the end of the season. So I'm happy for him getting the game.

    He's still decent. Won't embrace himself or anything, even if there are better options available.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,392 ✭✭✭Jump_In_Jack


    Just a point, do guys not value the team camaraderie of having one of the most liked players in the squad breaking the Irish 6 Nations record for caps?
    Cian Healy will overtake O'Driscoll and I think the entire squad will get a lift from that.
    A lot of sport is mental, it's also a team sport, I think this factors into it as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 929 ✭✭✭Mr Disco


    has the Scotch team been named yet?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,189 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I suspect whoever is named the new Munster head coach will be pushing strongly to keep him around the squad. Depending on who it is he might go again for one year.

    Farrell is certainly big on these kind of things alright. I wouldn't rule it out having some kind of influence. I would hope we see Boyle before the 6N is done though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,811 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    In fairness, I don't think POM and Healy belong in the same bucket. Yes, POM is very old but he's still performing at (or close to) test level. We're essentially ditching Henderson for POM so from a development perspective it's a wash.

    Healy is there purely because they don't believe we have an alternative, or don't want to risk Boyle against Fagerson. I don't really think sentimentality has anything to do with it. Healy is utterly spent around the field but he can still hold up a scrum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,811 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I don't think POM should be starting, Conan deserves the opportunity after what he did last week. I think he's still a good bench option, POM that is.

    SP needs a performance or he'll lose his spot. I can't believe Sheehan isn't starting.

    Finally Henshaw gets the start this week despite his awful missed tackle. What did Ringrose do wrong last week?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,811 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Finally Henshaw gets the start this week despite his awful missed tackle. 

    By this logic, we should be dropping JGP and Beirne, and you shouldn't be clamouring for Crowley to start.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,392 ✭✭✭Jump_In_Jack


    Could look at this year's fixtures like this:
    2-match block, plan from the outset was for almost no changes; a couple of switches between the starting 15 (Ringrose, Baird) and the bench (Henshaw) and one extremely experienced player (O'Mahony) comes into the starting 15 from the wider squad to replace one of our most experienced players (Henderson) who was on the bench.

    3rd round, Wales away, it probably will be the easiest match on paper, they are at an all-time low, and the squad have a week off before and after. Expecting to target that match for minimal changes, reasoning might be to blood in a player or two, possibly start a player that benched, or to cap from the bench a prospect.
    Boyle, Sheehan, Clarkson, (Rotate the front row, and bring in Boyle for a start)
    Ryan, Beirne, (no change, need a solid base to hold the changes together)
    Conan, Doris, Van der Flier. (Conan and Doris could swap 6/8, but Conan definitely worth a start)
    Murray, Crowley, (Rotate the half-backs)
    Lowe, Henshaw, Ringrose, Nash, (Rest Aki and Hansen)
    Keenan.
    Bench: Kelleher, Porter, Bealham/Furlong (if fit), Baird, Izuckukwu/ Cian Prendergast, Gibson-Park, Sam Prendergast, Osborne.

    Rounds 4 and 5 back to a 2-match block, select the best possible team to beat France, and then Italy away on the last round only make changes if required, maybe a couple of changes between bench and starting 15 to freshen it up.

    Hopefully no injuries but very rarely there aren't some kind of casualties along the way.



  • Administrators Posts: 56,319 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Having a hard time squaring the circle of the POM and Baird selections, these two seem counter to each other to me.

    Bringing POM in suggests Easterby thinks it's going to be a niggly, tight game. But then having Baird as the sub lock does not make sense in this scenario, I think Baird is a bit short on aggression and grunt when it comes to playing second row at this level.

    That said, we still win this fairly handily if we turn up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,163 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    I suspect injuries aside both locks are doing the 80 and Baird and Conan are coming in for POM and VDF



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,965 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    They're not taking off JVDF unless injured.

    He'll do every minute of this championship if possible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,617 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    I get why people don't fancy POM, but across any professional sport, it's hard to think of a character with more resilience.

    He's been dropped a lot, including a very embarrassing and public humiliation when dropped for match day captain to being out of 23 on Lions Tour to NZ.

    Yet he keeps coming, keeps doing his thing, keeps getting picked. Maybe, just maybe, all these head coaches value what he brings to the squad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,941 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Peter O Mahony is 35 now and everyone is saying he is past it

    (and several on here have been saying this for years already)

    Here's how old the other players in the 23 will be by the time the RWC 2027 final rolls around

    Player

    Date of Birth

    Age on Nov 13, 2027

    James Lowe

    July 8, 1992

    35 years

    Bundee Aki

    April 7, 1990

    37 years

    Garry Ringrose

    January 26, 1995

    32 years

    Robbie Henshaw

    June 12, 1993

    34 years

    Jamison Gibson-Park

    February 23, 1992

    35 years

    Josh van der Flier

    April 25, 1993

    34 years

    Jack Conan

    July 29, 1992

    35 years

    Tadhg Beirne

    January 8, 1992

    35 years

    Tadhg Furlong

    November 14, 1992

    34 years

    Andrew Porter

    January 16, 1996

    31 years

    Cian Healy

    October 7, 1987

    40 years

    Conor Murray

    April 20, 1989

    38 years

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,753 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    If your point is that some or most of those players won't make it to the world cup, then I agree. The next WC squad will look different to the last one. Isn't that fairly normal?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,941 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    My point, is that other teams tend to prepare in advance of the RWC by bringing new players into the squad to replace the old ones
    Here's the age profile of the French squad selected for Saturday against England.



    Player

    Date of Birth

    Age on Nov 13, 2027

    Thomas Ramos

    July 23, 1995

    32 years

    Damian Penaud

    September 25, 1996

    31 years

    Pierre-Louis Barassi

    April 22, 1998

    29 years

    Yoram Moefana

    July 18, 2000

    27 years

    Louis Bielle-Biarrey

    June 19, 2003

    24 years

    Matthieu Jalibert

    November 6, 1998

    29 years

    Antoine Dupont

    November 15, 1996

    30 years

    Grégory Alldritt

    March 23, 1997

    30 years

    Paul Boudehent

    November 21, 1999

    28 years

    François Cros

    March 25, 1994

    33 years

    Emmanuel Meafou

    December 5, 1998

    28 years

    Alexandre Roumat

    June 27, 1997

    30 years

    Uini Atonio

    March 26, 1990

    37 years

    Peato Mauvaka

    January 10, 1997

    30 years

    Jean-Baptiste Gros

    May 29, 1999

    28 years

    Julien Marchand

    May 10, 1995

    32 years

    Cyril Baille

    September 15, 1993

    34 years

    Georges-Henri Colombe

    April 9, 1998

    29 years

    Hugo Auradou

    July 20, 2003

    24 years

    Mickaël Guillard

    December 10, 2000

    26 years

    Oscar Jegou

    January 1, 2003

    24 years

    Nolann Le Garrec

    May 14, 2002

    25 years

    Émilien Gailleton

    July 13, 2003

    24 years

    Ban billionaires



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,830 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,087 ✭✭✭typhoony


    POM a strange call, he hasn't exactly been pulling up trees for Munster and 2 yellow cards in last years 6 nations. Some people will say they were smart yellow cards but against England we needed all 15 players on the pitch in what was a tight game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,811 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Well I wasn't clamouring for Crowley. I said he played better but neither were that good. I fully expected SP to start this week but I do think he's under pressure to put in a good performance in this game.

    JGP and Beirne both had great games so one missed tackle doesn't get them benched.

    Anyway the question I asked was how Ringrose gets benched based on his performance vs Henshaw's.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,787 ✭✭✭BoardsMember


    This is a srange one. There's no maybe about it. Of course the coaches value what he brings, that's why they are picking him. The conversation here is why they are picking him above other options.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,830 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    I don't see why it has to be seen as being dropped. Easterby might have always wanted to alternate them or just thinks Henshaw is better suited for the Scots. Or it's about impact from the bench.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 689 ✭✭✭Madeoface


    I think this hits the nail on the head - Fagerson is a good operator and Boyle not ready just yet. Healy just there to stop the scrum collapsing (and maybe, God willing, a bosh try on the line).

    Hopefully POM does what he always does and brings his A game. POM and Lowe are 2 of the best shi*housers in the game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,811 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    You may be right but right, it's a very reasonable assumption, but if it was me I'd be pissed after playing well in the previous game.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,189 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    His comments imply it was a pre-planned thing. I have to say I don't agree with it though.

    I worry about losing Ringrose's defence prowess at 13, and while passing is nowhere near his strength, Henshaw's passing has been all over the shop of late.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,830 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    Well if it was explained at the outset that (for example) they were going to be interchanged, there'd be no disgruntlement. Or shouldn't be. Same goes for a game plan where their respective strengths can be used to maximum effect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,238 ✭✭✭✭Sangre


    I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of these changes were known ahead of England game so won't be seen as a reflection of performance.



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  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,402 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Niggle them until they get a card and let Baird run at the space?



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