Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Read OP for mod warnings before posting*

The Ireland is not full movement (in a housing crisis) were inadvertently advocating open borders.

I know they meant well but when immigrants are complaining about the level of immigration maybe those people might read the room.

I listened to a 59 year old Cork man on Andrea Gilligan yesterday talking about being homeless for 13 years, the waiting list etc . Taking in others when there's currently no room has consequences but likely not for many of the Ireland is not full brigade.

Just search around on Google, I'm sure you'll find this phrase appearing a lot until recently.

Are there still people who don't think the level of immigration to Ireland has been too high? If there are any such people left, I'd wonder do they just not believe in borders at all?

tbf you can't really expect much from a student paper, it'd be a shock if it's editorial line wasn't well-meaning but very ideologically motivated.

But even if you followed their dubious argument, that tackling dereliction will resolve the housing crisis (and you ignore the strained hospitals, schools and other services), reducing immigration would still be helpful for the next number of years.

There really is no rational counter argument. Sadly some people have become too dug-in ideologically to admit something so obvious.

The problem in Ireland as I see it, is that we're used to being a country that nobody wanted to move to, now everyone wants to come here and nobody knows what to do and there's no plan (IMHO).

Even saying, the plan is for x million people by 2050, we could plan around such a target but instead the government has refused to discuss and it is hitting the most disadvantaged hardest. Those disadvantaged include immigrants who pay rent and fall foul of housing shortages.

Yeah, planning for population growth isn't something Ireland has an institutional memory of. Also there is a certain laziness in the approach to a lot of issues in Ireland, and very little accountability. So we have inadequate defences, very poor hospitals, the Church dominating education.

It's perhaps not surprising there has been so little provision for a rapidly expanding population.

But how long will that actually be a reason for them to stay.

We have our young emigrating in huge numbers.

We can't attract skilled workers due to the cost of living, so many Polish for example who came here for tech are gone.

We are increasing the population while not increasing services for schools, while teachers have bigger classrooms the standards will drop.

We are a highly educated country who could attract top talent from other countries, but that is getting worse.

They're pumping in billions i can't see them going anywhere, if they do it would be carnage

They may not move overnight but they could plan for it over a few years.

It would be carnage if it happens and our government have no plan, if that does happen.

They are destroying two of our biggest industries of farming and tourism as it is.

All they know how to do is throw the Multinationals money at everything, what will they do if that dries up.

I pray to God it won't happen, but that is holding the country together and we actually have no control over if they do stay or not.

It's quite scary when you think about it.

We need to stop wasting so much money on this racket and invest in the country while we actually have money.

No one has ever told you the below.

I am not a betting man and I would stake the entirety of my assets that not one single person has ever said the below to you.

telling us that we have to open the doors and take them all in

I never said classroom sizes are increasing yet, I am taking about the future.

We are at the stage where we are getting the men fleeing war.

It's when they get housed and all the brave women and children who stayed at home fighting come over is when we will see class sizes increasing.

Are you trying to say a population increase without increased services in schools will see no increase in class sizes in the future?

And what then happens to the 80% rejected?

What % leave the country?

Anyone saying "the system is ok" is either beyond delusional or deliberately lying. No other possibilities.

Further, in your post you're advocating limiting the people badly needed in certain job roles and placing no limit on the dependant (and ultimately 80% fraudulent) ones.

Again I would look to clarify your information.

At this point from my knowledge of education pupil rates we are only expecting the student population to fall year on year due to reducing birth rates. Peak was reached in 2002

I would ask you to clarify what sources you are using to make this seemingly ill informed conclusion regarding student number and the state.