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Manchester United Thread 25/26 - Teamtalk/Transfers/Gossip Mod Note in OP 26.09.24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,938 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    They said he was a signing for the first team. I assume the idea being to replace Evans at the moment.

    But now martinez is injured.
    and Shaw is confirmed useless.
    and Evans is injured (I think) (and right footed i think)

    So as a LCB option; Heaven is the last man standing right now.

    I think Yoro and Mazraoui will be ahead of him, but are a poor profile fit out that side cause they are not left footed.

    So I reckon we HAVE to go for a LCB because we can't and shouldn't rely on Heaven. He has, as far as I understand it, a crap load of work to be physically able in the PL.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    It's been the way with Manchester United for years now. A good young player and he's the saviour.

    We expect Mainoo to run our midfield at 19, Garnacho to be one of our most productive players at 20, we ran Elanga into the ground a few years ago, think it was 36 starts in a row iirc, instead of him getting minutes off the bench and developing gradually.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,736 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Maz with a proper left footer at LWB wouldn't be worst option IMO. Yet again though, the club have banked on Martinez and Shaw being the option for LCB when neither can complete half a season for love nor money.

    I think Heaven will see very limited game time this season, even with the injuries but we are back putting square pegs into round holes yet again. It makes the decision to move Malacia on even after knowing Martinez was gone for the season a terrible move. If they were banking on Shaw returning then they are idiots.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,211 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    I can only give them the benefit of the doubt that whoever said that meant the first team in the future. In the same way that any player in a youth team is on a track to the first team eventually.

    If they have bought this player to be a valid option for the Manchester United first team in the near future, then I don't know what to say, because there is no way that they can know if he is actually good enough or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,302 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    Amad and Pellestri were first team signings as well fado fado. I would expect Heaven to be a similar long term (hopeful) first team signing. I think we've snapped up Heaven while he was available/taken advantage of his contract situation and age, and the plan would be get him a loan in the Championship next season.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,437 ✭✭✭Quags


    maybe they are being safe and not rushing him fully back

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,211 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Sure, thats the obvious way to do things. Amad is 4 years at the club and only broke in now, Pellestri 5 years and never broke in.

    But the point made was that Heaven is perhaps the only option at LCB now. Just signed, no senior experience but he might be playing PL football right now.

    Thats messed up, and not fair on the kid himself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,780 ✭✭✭Iseedeadpixels


    I reckon he felt a bit of pain and the club didn't want to risk it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,938 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    The press release says he is going into the first team (as in squad - not U18/23 squad)

    I don;t think they expect him to be a first choice player this season - but a far as anyone can understand it he is in the first team squad for training/dressing room etc.

    I imagine they planned on Martinez being ahead of him, and then likely another one or two senior players. But if Martinez and Shaw are both injured then he is, by default, the only actual left footed CB left in the first team squad. So his chances of playing improve by default. I reckon our first choice backline with be 3 from Mazraoui, Maguire, MDL, Yoro. Then you are looking at Evans, Lindelof and Heaven for next man up. We have seen Yoro play on the left. Maguire used to play there for England - but I'd play Mazraoui LCB before I'd consider Maguire or MDL there, or Heaven.

    "no way that they can know if he is actually good or not". In so far as you can never know if a player is good enough? I think we can assume they have scouted him and have a good idea what his qualities are.

    I would have to imagine we sign a first choice LCB in the summer - would be insane not to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,346 ✭✭✭IncognitoMan


    That may turn out to be the case but it's a bit early to be writing off Martinez as a crock. It's his 2nd big injury but might be the start of getting more injuries now or not… we don't know yet
    Shaw we all know is a lost cause.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,211 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    It may be unfair to write him off as a crock, but if this is a rebuild it seems hard to plan around him either.

    By my count Martinez has missed 56 games with injury. He has 58 PL appearances for the club. When he returns he will be getting into the last year of his contract, he will really have to come back flying to justify a new deal at that point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,938 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    My worry isn't so much if he comes back at all - I think he will. Its that when he comes back he will have lost a bit more pace, a bit more agility, a bit more physicality. Elements of his game that are already somewhat questionable and if they do degrade further - which would be expected imo - he just won't be up to be a CB in the PL.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,736 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    He's now missed significant game time in every season he's been at the club. He's had to have the same foot operated on twice, injured his MCL, and now a double ACL/MCL injury. He is the definition of a crock and someone we can't rely on to be fit or plan around. None of the injuries are his fault but it doesn't mean he isn't another player in the team who can't string a single season together without missing significant games.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,736 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    There's no planet where he should be getting a new contract from the club. They should look to offload once he gets back in 2026, hopefully the January window, rather than letting him leave on a free.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,832 ✭✭✭ericzeking


    Mount is the strangest of the lot, every time he gets a knock he is out for months.

    He got stiches on his head at the start of the season and was gone for a month or more, came back briefly and injured again and we never get a full story of what ails him….a cut on the head should hardly require being taken off, not to mind an extended spell on the sideline. You'd have to be wondering about these lads.

    Remember it was Saha, who it was said would essentially refuse to play unless he was tip top 100% fit, and then you have Keane saying he never played a game without some form of niggle at him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,603 ✭✭✭randd1


    I think a lot of it is mental to be honest. Getting paid hundreds of thousands a week, with pretty much every day off bar a few hours recovery.

    If you could get away with it yourself, you would.

    And with the culture of the club the last few years, these lads have been getting away with it. Hard to break that habit.

    Personally, I would have a clause in a players contract going forward that if that player is not cleared as medically fit by the for 50% of games over a two year period, the club can cancel his contract. I'm not sure if that's entirely legal, but it would protect the club somewhat if that was the case.

    So for the likes of Shaw, Mount and Martinez, they would have to work harder to maintain their fitness, or if it's mental, they could be moved on, or else they would have to be medically available more often.

    That'd be the dream anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,736 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Believe it or not but it was reported he actually pulled a hamstring either just before or after coming off after getting the cut to his head. He literally can't play more than 3 games in a row before picking up another injury.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,267 ✭✭✭✭Nalz


    Listening to this from the fans (minute 19:30) and Scholesy reminded me of your reply. I'd agree with them tbh that teams are better, more organized, cuter etc. All about opinions I suppose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,083 ✭✭✭54and56


    Why would any team in any league in any country want to pay any sort of transfer fee for and then commit to wages for a player who is never fit enough to actually play? What sort of manager would go to his board and advocate to bring any player with Shaw's injury record into the club?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,083 ✭✭✭54and56


    If you insisted on having such a clause you wouldn't be signing any players.

    The club can take out insurance against players being seriously injured to the extent they have no choice but to retire but intermittent injuries, even to the extent Shaw gets injured, is just part and parcel of the game and a risk clubs have to mitigate through the due diligence they do prior to signing a player, ensuring a thorough medical, not giving big long contracts they'll be stuck with honouring if the player does suffer a lot of injuries etc. (Downside of that is the player can then walk at the end of a short contract)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,736 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 967 ✭✭✭jayo44


    Anything to be said for a pogba debate? 😁😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,938 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Free agent in March and I reckon he'd be great beside Ugarte…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,678 ✭✭✭✭FourFourRED


    It’s like going back to an ex who is sniffing around you again after they’ve been dumped. It’s tempting but all of your friends are telling you to block him 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,678 ✭✭✭✭FourFourRED


    Free agent and could be signed now but can’t play until March. IMO you would be signing him to try and win the EL and if you do, he needs to be signed and registered by midnight tonight (afaik).

    If Amorim wants and believes in him, I’d have no objection to a short term deal - pay as you play or whatever can be done to minimise throwing away money on him again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,267 ✭✭✭✭Nalz


    Are you joking? Talk about making the same mistakes again



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,780 ✭✭✭Iseedeadpixels




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,921 ✭✭✭Nigzcurran


    Time is contagious, everybody's getting old.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 577 ✭✭✭Seattle


    No transfer fee, short contract and probably low wages. It couldn't amount to that much of a mistake, financially at least!

    He'd probably do ok as a #10 on the left. We could do with a creative player like him there actually. Eriksen often makes a positive impact as a sub but struggles as a starter because of his lack of physicality and legs. When Eriksen doesn't play, the only player we have with poise on the ball is Fernandes.

    I doubt Pogba would have the fitness levels required for the PL after all the injuries and having not played in so long though, and it may not be worth the media circus it'd create.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,374 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    Players like PP epitomises everything that's been rotten at the club since SAF left. They don't care about the club, only their own image and branding. He managed to flush all that away when with us then made it worse by being exposed as a drugs cheat. I wouldn't take him back if he was paying is a million pounds a week to play for us.



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