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Liverpool FC Premier League Champions 24/25 - Talk /Gossip/Rumours

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,850 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    City spent 1/4 of a Billion Dollars in Jan. 😅

    Pep without cash is Mick McCarty 😋

    They fact Pep could not string a side together with losing one player in Rodri, says a lot about how great a manager Klopp was, Klopp got the B side into CL .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,850 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Arsenal failing miserably in transfer market is great for Liverpool, they had the whole month, and tried for many in last day and got no one. Mentally it's a blow, it was clear as day how hard they tried to bring in a striker.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,501 ✭✭✭robwen


    Good Johnathan Northcroft article from Saturday about Richard Hughes.

    Last spring, in his old, characterful mansion house in the centre of Zwolle, Arne Slot sat down with Richard Hughes. Daniel Levy had attempted the same mission the previous year but was unable to persuade Slot to leave Feyenoord.

    A colleague believes Hughes “should be getting ******* knighted” for what happened next. It was the Scotsman’s first major task as Liverpool’s sporting director and he nailed it, that afternoon, in Slot’s family home. Two retired midfielders, multilingual, analytical and from middle-class backgrounds, bonded over common ground, not least their addiction to the game.

    “I had a very good relationship from the start with Richard, which is one of the reasons I loved to join the club,” Slot said on why he chose Liverpool.

    In that meeting, his big question was “why me?” Glad you asked, Hughes replied, laying down a 60-page dossier Liverpool compiled on him. When Slot opined that one of his strengths was improving players, Hughes said “we agree” and directed him to the section packed with stats and personal testimonies which supported that view. Slot was blown away.

    The previous summer, Hughes led another head coach hire. Then, as Bournemouth’s technical director, he made a bold proposal to the owner Bill Foley that he should replace Gary O’Neil with Andoni Iraola. O’Neil is Hughes’s friend but business is business. Iraola was simply further along in his career trajectory and Hughes had the contacts and relationships in Spain to believe he could get him.

    Any sane observer would conclude that someone able to sign the Premier League’s two hottest coaches, one after another, was quite good at their job. A glance at Liverpool’s league position and the riches in the Bournemouth squad Hughes assembled might strengthen that belief.

    But there is madness in the football debate caused by a modern need for gratification through transfers. Hughes is called “useless” and “missing” by a section of Liverpool fans on social media for (in their minds) not doing enough of them. Forget results, forget Slot’s caviar football: where are our deals?

    It is not a view shared by Michael Edwards, chief executive of football at Liverpool’s owners, FSG. He was arguably the best sporting director the Premier League has had when he did Hughes’s job from 2016 to 2022, having joined the club in 2011. Famed for deals ahead of the curve his belief is that appointing Hughes last March was another example. After all, if Hughes was at still Bournemouth big clubs would be fighting to hire him given how the project he put together is performing.

    Edwards and Hughes go back two decades to when Edwards was Portsmouth’s performance analyst and Hughes their captain. After training, Pompey’s senior pros would file into Edwards’ room: O’Neil, Hughes, Matt Taylor, David James and — carrying a copy of the Times or Guardian, for which he was teased — Eddie Howe. These were the guys who most loved football and getting into the detail of the game.

    Howe brought Hughes into Bournemouth’s recruitment set-up after his retirement from playing and Hughes became Bournemouth technical director in 2014. Edwards, building Liverpool at the time, was struck by how often he ran into his old friend during the final yards of deals.

    Bournemouth were Liverpool’s main competition when he signed Joe Gomez, Andrew Robertson and Harvey Elliott. When he went for Lloyd Kelly at Bristol City, Hughes got there first: that one still rankles. David Brooks and Ryan Christie were others Edwards was considering when Bournemouth beat them to the punch. Before he joined Liverpool, exploiting doubts at Southampton about the player, Hughes almost pulled off a remarkable deal for Sadio Mané.

    Back when Virgil van Dijk was at Celtic, Hughes told Edwards to sign him. He was a sounding board when Edwards was plotting the recruitment of Mohamed Salah and Alisson from Roma. Raised in Italy (where his father Kevin worked in publishing) Hughes was a youth player at Atalanta, and later a Serie A pundit for BT Sport, and he was raving to Edwards about Roberto De Zerbi long before De Zerbi’s breakthrough job at Sassuolo.

    De Zerbi had committed to joining Bournemouth, only for a delay with Foley’s takeover to allow Brighton the opportunity to hire him first.

    Knowing all this, and remembering how Hughes stood out among their peers at Premier League sporting director meetings, Edwards could not understand why he was not prime target when Liverpool began headhunting a new sporting director last season. Candidates being interviewed, such as Paul Mitchell and Markus Krösche, would not fit the club and its culture nearly so well, Edwards believed. And so when FSG brought Edwards back last March, recruiting Hughes was his key decision.

    A sparky and forthright character, Edwards acknowledges Hughes has soft skills superior to his own and when the pair — plus Will Spearman’s data department — agreed Slot was the outstanding candidate to replace Jürgen Klopp, Edwards saw Hughes as best equipped to sell Slot Liverpool’s project face-to-face.

    Liverpool have a checklist of about 20 different elements they seek in a head coach. Interestingly in one category, player availability, another candidate — Ruben Amorim — rated best in Europe. But Slot still scored very highly there and topped nearly all the others, especially impressing in Liverpool’s model measuring over-performance and improvement of players.

    Hughes needed no convincing about the latter. At Bournemouth, he got to know Slot’s work only too well, signing two talents Slot developed at Feyenoord — Marcos Senesi and (via Leeds) Luis Sinisterra — and pursuing others such as Marcus Pedersen and Quilindschy Hartman. He ended up telling Bournemouth’s scouts to stop recommending Feyenoord players “because it’s the coach there who makes them look good”.

    Criticism of Hughes began after he was part of a two-man delegation who flew to San Sebastian in late July to try to sign Martín Zubimendi but returned empty handed, after Zubimendi decided he could not bring himself to put in the transfer request necessary to trigger a €60million buyout clause at his boyhood club, Real Sociedad.

    It intensified when Liverpool signalled they would not be pursuing secondary targets. Hughes assessed the market and decided options such as Manuel Ugarte were not appropriate for Slot’s dynamic, ball-progressing, possession-based style and Liverpool already had a player with the very profile of the type of No6 Slot needed.

    That was Ryan Gravenberch. He was late returning for pre-season so Slot needed a little time to work with him to be convinced — but very soon was. That ability to improve footballers has allowed Slot to nurture Gravenberch into arguably Europe’s best holding player, in the injury absence of Manchester City’s Rodri. “It was clear [improving players] was one of Arne’s superpowers so why would you stop him using it by just buying?” a source said, regarding Hughes’s measured approach to transfers at Liverpool.

    They point to the deals Hughes has done. To meet Slot’s demand for six top attackers he signed the best Italian talent of his generation, Federico Chiesa, for a knockdown £10million. It was factored in that, after a couple of injury-hit seasons, Chiesa would arrive lacking fitness. The target was always for him to be properly ready by January, and against PSV Eindhoven on Wednesday he played his first 90 minutes for Liverpool.

    Hughes also signed Giorgi Mamardashvili, assessed by Liverpool’s scouting and data to have been best young goalkeeper in the world over the previous 12 months. It was for the “mad” price of £25million — exploiting financial problems at Valencia, where Mamardashvili remained on loan for 2024-25. The Georgian represents good forward planning given Alisson, now 32, will soon enter the final two years of his contract.

    At Liverpool’s AXA Training Centre, where his office on the first floor is next door to Slot’s, Hughes has reorganised departments and revamped staff, installing David Woodfine as assistant sporting director and recruiting Mark Burchill and Craig McKee as senior scouts. Both helped him assemble a Bournemouth squad stocked with talents, such as Antoine Semenyo and Milos Kerkez, coveted by big clubs.

    And then there is sales, the underestimated part of a sporting director’s job. Bringing in €47million for Sepp van den Berg and Fabio Carvalho seems business almost Edwards-esque. Again, you look back to Hughes’s work at Bournemouth: “flipping” Tyrone Mings (signed for £8million, sold for £25million), Aaron Ramsdale (signed for £800,000, sold for £18.5million) and others.

    Asked to describe himself Edwards might say, albeit with a smile, “ruthless”. If you know him, you know friendship would be bottom of his reasons for making business decisions. It was not why Hughes was hired. But their close relationship might help Liverpool’s ownership and football department navigate, with a united front, the treacherous waters around Salah, Van Dijk and Trent Alexander-Arnold. That all three ended last season with only 12 months on their contracts was not a problem of Hughes and Edwards’s making. Like being “thrown a **** sandwich” is one well-placed view.

    Liverpool want the trio to stay and Hughes is leading negotiations to try to make that happen but players have got to want to stay. Alexander-Arnold is considering interest from Real Madrid and the first time Salah clarified his desire to remain at Liverpool was on the pitch at Old Trafford, in a TV interview after Liverpool won there in September.

    At Liverpool, where there is no state or oligarch funding, they know “you can’t spend the money twice” and as much as, for example, Salah, is valued, no player can be handed a contract that risks the club’s financial health and long-term stability. An example borne in mind is the mess Arsenal got into after handing mega-deals to Mesut Özil and Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang.

    Liverpool don’t envisage being active before the end of this window — only something completely out of the blue would change things. They believe in their squad, its quality, its depth, and see no sense in major changes until the futures of the big three are resolved.

    However, their long-term work involves succession-planning for every position and if any of the trio leave, the list of options to replace them will be at the ready. But the view is that the surest way to retain stars is by creating football conditions that make them want to be there, and appointing the right head coach is the start.

    The man who landed Slot has much to do but “useless?” His doings so far don’t suggest that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,507 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    Good article.

    The only part I call bullshit on is that Chiesa was bought with January in mind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,137 ✭✭✭The Rooster


    Did Danns to Sunderland happen? No news of it on either club website. Was kinda hoping he would go to Leeds as they seem to be crying out for a striker of his ilk per the Leeds thread. (Probably would have suited MU on loan too 😉)

    LFC website has the following confirmed loan deals (never heard of the first lad tbh)

    Dominic Corness (21, mid) to Gillingham (L2)

    Kaide Gordon to Portsmouth



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,285 ✭✭✭giveitholly




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,732 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    There is nothing really to do till the summer. LB is the big weakness but we can manage, the future of the big 3 needs to be sorted first. We could potentially need 6 new players in the summer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,765 ✭✭✭Talisman


    Slot spoke openly about it in press conferences at the time and also around the international breaks in October/November. The club knew when he was signed that he wouldn't be physically capable of playing at Liverpool's level without suffering a breakdown so the decision was made to give him a training program to prepare him to have an impact in the second half of the season. This was communicated to the Italian FA and they accepted that he would not be available for the Autumn international call ups. Spalletti told the Italian media that they were in agreement with Liverpool's assessment and that getting Chiesa into peak physical condition would also serve the national team best.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,219 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    Gomez back fit will provide good cover at LB for now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,765 ✭✭✭Talisman


    The Sunderland media staff were too busy with the Middlesbrough game to organise the announcement apparently.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,404 ✭✭✭✭paulie21




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭Ottoman_1000


    I never expected any signings this January. It’s very hard bringing in new players with a stacked squad as it is. We can’t really bring in a new left back when we already have 2 options there and a potential 3rd in Gomez. I have no doubt it will be addressed in the summer alright, and we’ll probably see The Greek move on.

    Likewise, we can’t go about potentially replacing Virg, Salah and Trent until we know exactly what’s happening with those guys. I expect some big changes this summer and the next, but for the time being we are where we are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,218 ✭✭✭✭klose


    Danns signed a new deal and gone on loan to Sunderland, in excited to see how he goes there and I think he will do well and genuinely has a good chance at making it here. Shame Morton didn’t get a move in the end but I’m sure he will come the summer.

    Four months of football left and the squad in good health for now, the Plymouth game at the weekend will probably be the last game for scope for rotation so after this weekend it’s full tilt for the main squad of players barring any more injuries.

    I would assume the club have set a date of sorts for decisions on the three lads futures as they will need to get a move on on their respective replacements should they chose to leave so you’d imagine you’d be hearing news on that sooner rather then later.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,063 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    The fact that they've been able to sign with foreign clubs for a month now and no news or even rumours from foreign journalists about them being in talks anywhere is encouraging



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,875 ✭✭✭✭Osmosis Jones


    Concerned about the contracts, not so much with the lack of transfers though. Nobody bar City managed to get anything significant done this January so I don't think it's exclusively the incompetence of our owners that led to no signings.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,746 ✭✭✭mormank


    I'd say the staff already know what the story is with those 3 tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,810 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Great to have Danns on a new deal alright - we've not had too many centre forwards come through the academy to be excited by. Brewster was about the best hope of them, but even he at his best just looked a good finisher rather than a good player — Danns looks like he has it all technically, along with tonnes of pace. Could well be strong as an ox once he fills out too, hopefully without losing much speed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,732 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Absolutely. The twitter super fans can cry about fsg been the worst owners but the squad is full right now, we need to move on players to bring in new ones.

    On another note I'm extremely excited to see what Hughes can do, hired iriaola, slot and that Bournemouth squad is full of talented players.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭IrishOwl...


    Absolute a**hats on Twitter are not worth the time and effort.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,810 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    It's infuriating to know that if John Henry or Linda Pizzuti ever take a look at their twitter comments that it's just full of idiotic hate and bile from these morons. I really hope they never need to take a glance at these things themselves.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,890 ✭✭✭mightyreds


    Seems rumblings today about Salah and Van Dijk have already signed. The usual though "we understand" but def something going on



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,285 ✭✭✭giveitholly




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,241 ✭✭✭Damien360


    Not sure who in here recommended this book but its very good. First half is very Liverpool and some nuggets around the famous transfer committee but the second half is all about the current XG and statistics. They are explained in detail and the reasoning with it. Highly recommend.

    PXL_20250204_185716727.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,063 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Don't know it was me but I've been recommending it to everybody even non-fans

    I was fascinated by the Tony Bloom and Matthew Benham part - didn't realise that they were both professional sports gamblers (likely was common knowledge to others but I hadn't heard of them), Bloom in particular exploited Asian handicaps and is credited with handicap markets now being offered by British bookies - and then how they brought the cold decision making of professional gamblers into their decision making when they bought Brighton and Brentford respectively, and how it's brought them success

    So even if they had an Ollie Watkins or Benhrama or whomever they weren't afraid to sell them for more than what they valued them at and replace with someone undervalued. Keep rolling these over and they become successful. You plateau when you reach the mid-table of the PL as you need much more wage spend to sustain top half finishes, but the goal was to get there and interesting that they both did.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,765 ✭✭✭Talisman


    During Dann's medical with Sunderland they identified a back injury, he'll move to Sunderland when he is further along in his recovery.

    https://www.safc.com/news/2025/february/04/safc-confirm-jayden-danns-loan-signing/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,810 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Back injuries with young players are always a bit worrying… lads like Teixera, Scanlan, Chambers, and Bradley missed a lot of time at the same stages of their development with back issues. Hopefully in this case it's nothing too big.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,063 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Stefan Bajčetic missed a lot of time with a back injury (reported as growing pains)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,775 ✭✭✭Speak Now


    I hope Slot makes them sit down and watch every minute of that game, being beaten is fine but they were out fought all over the pitch that day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,850 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Sounds like Henderson was scapegoated about his so call move to Monaco . Knew it didn't sound like a Henderson thing, defending himself here.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,765 ✭✭✭Talisman


    The injury that kept Bajcetic out for so long was a fracture down through the femur bone. There was an imbalance in the muscles which was twisting the bone and threatened to end his career. He was forced to avoid physical exercise until the bone had knitted together sufficiently and then they began the process of building the muscle groups to strengthen the leg. During the rehabilitation process there were frequent scans of the bone and if there was any signs of the training impacting upon it there was another enforced rest period. The rebuilding process took a long time for this reason and he didn't return to full training until the medical team were satisfied that the bone was fully healed. The custom muscle building program they had him on is the reason that he had thighs like tree trunks when he returned to the first team squad.



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