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Saving/Applying for a mortgage 2020-22 Edition

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 Tynanma


    hi everyone . Looking for some advice / general reassurance as very anxious over met stage in the mortgage process . I have AIP from AIB - due to expire in a month but this week I have finally gone sale agreed on a property . I am not in overthinking mode worried that my full loan offer will not go ahead .
    My questions are ;

    Is AIP from AIB underwritten ( I submitted all payslips , P60 , salary cert and statements prior to AIP )


    over the last 6 months , twice I’ve gone into my approved overdraft at the end of the month just before pay day - approx 90-100 euro . Will this go against me ?

    Thanks for any advice everyone .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 584 ✭✭✭theboringfox


    AIP usually underwritten but they will always recheck stuff once sale agreed. Main thing is to be able to explain it if comes up. You need to still be meeting all same criteria at time of AIP. Savings pm key for showing repayments but maybe yours comes from rent. Hopefully it is all fine. Just follow the steps. But key message is even if AIP underwritten they will fully assess you now again. Makes sense as bank wants to make sure nothings changes in circumstances. Just need to explain OD use. Id only be worried if it was showing signs financially stretched.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 Tynanma


    thanks for this . Yes that makes sense that they’ll go over everything again . Hopefully it will translate to full loan offer . It’s very anxiety inducing . I’m still paying rent and have savings taken at source when I’m paid and still in same employment , hopefully it’s all ok



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭herbalplants


    It sounds like you will have no problem. You are paying rent and savings coming out every month so that should cover what you are looking as a loan.

    Remember the shills only get paid when you react to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭Bobby_Bolivia


    Applying for mortgage shortly. Joint income of 100k, her 40k and me 60k. I'm in a state job where increments will take me to over 70k even if I don't get promoted again.

    60k in savings.

    However 2 years ago I had a credit card with a 1k limit and I would regularly pay it off but end up going over the limit. Never missed a payment but I would have been charged an overlimit fee a few times, possibly/probably in consecutive months too.

    For example, -1.1k, pay back 700, spend 650, next months balance -1050. Didn't think anything of it at the time because the limit was so low and I could literally have paid it off in full with my fortnightly paycheck and have money to spare, I was using the card fairly interchangably with my debit card.

    But now I realise that was probably a really terrible, idiotic thing I did and I'm terrified that they'll refuse me as a result. What do ye think?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 Tynanma


    hi everyone , back again for advice as people were so helpful the last time . My loan offer came through . However loan offer states the post code as Dublin 9 , however all details through solicitor on the property say Dublin 17 . It’s the same property obviously and I got the Dublin 9 detail directly from the estate agent advert . Will this cause issue ? I’m afraid I’ll have to get loan offer resissued .



  • Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 2,629 Mod ✭✭✭✭Nigel Fairservice


    It turned out the address on our loan offer was incorrect and we had to get the loan offer reissued.

    We got the address of the property from the developer's estate agent when we paid the booking deposit and used the address with the bank when we applied for a mortgage on the property. There was a one word difference in the address on the loan offer and the contracts. The signed contracts had the correct address on them so it wasn't too bad to get it all fixed up. It only took about 24 hours for the bank to amend the loan offer.

    Not so sure about a Dublin postcode though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 Buyingahouse25


    I wouldn't worry about it too much. Two or three explainable late fees or overlimits should be fine.

    But get your credit report for free to give you piece of mind. I thought I was over the limit a few times and got charged late fees incorrectly a few times. I made my payments just after the incorrect statements and nothing showed up in my credit report. I actually did go a few euro over the limit one time but because I paid back in a respectable time frame that late fee never showed up on my credit report. One or two mistakes doesn't automatically show up your credit report. Depends what way your banks reporting works.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7 Ainm Cleite


    I'm saving for a mortgage at the moment, and doing freelance work outside the day job to get extra money. I will have a fairly big tax bill to pay next year. I have been saving very ambitiously, but the most of the money for next year's tax bill will have to come out of my savings.

    So I'm just wondering would withdrawing that money cause trouble when applying for a mortgage? Would it be better to save a bit less and put the tax money in a separate pot?



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,322 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    Your mortgage savings should be the same amount each month and you should never touch them. So, yes put the tax money in a separate account and put a bit extra away for the tax savings just in case you underestimate how much you owe.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1 bridge45


    Hi Self Build2024,

    Did you manage to drawdown without land in your name? We are in the same position, applied end of January here we are in August and still land hasn’t been transferred to my name. One of the most frustrating process’ ever and between the banks/solicitor/land registry they are all working at snails pace.

    We are at roof level now of the build and will most likely have to stop now until land is in my name as can’t pay anybody ….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36 Rita57


    I would suggest get your credit report and go to a mortgage advisor at a brokers they will hopefully be able to provide you with an advice on how to proceed. It’s better to approach it this way rather than submitting an application to the lender and for them to see or read about it for the first time. Looks better if you approach it first (if your credit is an issue)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,675 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Overlimit fees are just charges for going over your credit card limit, it's not a strike on your credit report or anything.

    Your credit report is just about your ability to pay back a loan and if you missed any payments.

    Overlimit fees from 2 years ago won't have any relevance to your mortgage application as they won't be appearing on your 6 months of bank statements.

    What you should be aware of though is overlimit fees on your current 6 months of bank statements that you're supplying to the bank. They aren't fond of them at all.

    I had a couple of them in my bank statements and my mortgage broker shat me out about them. She made it work but she had to explain each one to the banks.



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,709 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    Quick question, whilst I know you can borrow up to 4 times your salary, I also understand that there is a % of available income that they apply a rule to. I think its around 25-34%? However, based on that calculation, 34% of a monthly income is significantly less than the monthly mortgage rate. Which takes preference?

    EG: 5k Monthly Salary. Max 34% is €1700 per month. a 380K Mortgage over 27 years is €1900? So do banks allow the €1900 or just the €1700? If have happen to have a personal loan for say €500 per month, is that then €1400 or €1200 respectively, or what way does it work?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,920 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Hard to give a definitive answer as most mortgages are nearly taken on a case by case basis. They will do a stress test to see if rates went up by a certain % (usually around 2.5%) can you continue to afford to pay the mortgage on your current salary. The % of your salary would only come into the equation if it was accounting for 65/70% of it.

    A 5k a month salary would only qualify for a max of €240k of a mortgage so couldn't be near the 380 mark in your hypothetical scenario hence why it's difficult to provide you with a definitive answer without much more info.

    I'd get in touch with a broker if you need concrete information.



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,709 ✭✭✭✭antodeco




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,920 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    No worries, at an 8k salary you'd have no issues obtaining a mortgage of €380k, myself and my partner are in a very similar financial position to yourself (slightly less net and a bit less loan amount per month) and flew through the AIP process being offered a mortgage max of €375k



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,709 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    Thanks for that. Would having another loan of €500 - €1000 per month massively influence this also?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,069 ✭✭✭antimatterx




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 93 ✭✭Middleage Fanclub


    Sorry if this has been asked before, for a self build mortgage, when you draw down money from the bank, do they pay it directly to you, your solicitor or the builder? Thanks



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭FastFullBack


    In my case, bank pay solicitor. Solicitor will transfer to you or direct to builder, whichever you want



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭extra-ordinary_


    Wouldn't think 2022 will come into it if applying now. Also, are Avant not at 6 or 7% fixed these days?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭extra-ordinary_


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭extra-ordinary_


    If the mortgage repayments go over the affordability threshold you could either extend the term or borrow less to bring down the repayments. If there's no actual leeway the bank will just offer you less than the full 4x amount.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 Buyingahouse25


    I don't think so, seeing 4.05% for the longer fixed or full terms and just under 4% for their shortest 4 year fixed. I wouldn't be looking at anything at 6 or 7%!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭extra-ordinary_


    Ah yes OK, I see their interest rates are a lot less. I had incorrectly lumped them in with Finance Ireland, when Avant have an actual bank behind them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 Buyingahouse25


    Their rate is coming down a chunk in a few weeks too. This is bringing their rates right down to be competitive with the bank's best rates without the need for the house to be A -rated, which I assume will see a knock on effect with the banks lowering theirs. Bit of good news for a change , although it will probably prevent any price drops (not that I think that was going to happen anytime soon). The ECB is expected to continue to lower their rates too, so further cuts are likely next year.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2024/1030/1478200-avant-money-to-cut-mortgage-rates/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 Buyingahouse25


    So, we’ve just gotten our A.I.P and have looked at a few houses, planning on bidding on one on Monday. Going back to my original post, I had nothing to worry about. No matter how much previous debt you had or held simultaneously, if paid off correctly or staying within limits is fine. A few learnings from my mortgage journey that might help other PAYE workers on here.

    I happened to meet a financial advisor randomly through friends and they told me the lender is primarily concerned with three things leading up to the mortgage application which thankfully I had sorted. If you can show these, you are well on your way.

    Affordability – Affordability is an obvious one, but can your rent and savings combined cover the cost of the mortgage + a 2% interest rate stress test? A lot of people fall into this trap where they think if they can show 2k savings and rent a month that will cover a 2k a month mortgage. You need to be saving the stress test on top to guarantee yourself approval from affordability. A 30 year €350k mortgage with 10% deposit saved (a €315k loan) at 3.8% as an example will cost you €1470 a month. Ideally you want to be showing from savings and rent that you can cover a 5.8% rate, which is a monthly repayment of €1850. If you can do that for six months on your statements, you will pass the affordability test easily. Having the 10% deposit saved/available also falls within the affordability pass/fail.

    Job Security and Guaranteed income – Make sure the applicants are at least 6 months employment with the same place, ideally a year. Lenders are hesitant to loan to anyone with under this. Do not apply if you are in a probationary period. Gross income or joint incomes combined should not be over 4 times the loan amount you are looking for. He also said even though you can now get 4 times your income, in the eyes of the lender, 3.5 is better to aim for – if you can save a little longer to make it 3.5, it is worth doing.

    Credit history – Again an obvious one but there is no need to freak out over small things like a few overlimit fees on a credit card, an explainable missed payment on a loan or always being in your overdraft (if it is an arranged overdraft an you get your account into credit once a month) . You shouldn’t have a missed payment, go over-limit on anything or apply for any other credit in the 6 months leading up to applying for your mortgage though. If you have had more serious credit issues, it is best to get a mortgage broker to advise you. Outside of these three, just try and avoid regular gambling, regular cash withdrawals and don’t have any unexplained large transactions in or out of your account within the last six months (year would be better). Additionally, have a separate account for your monthly savings and DO NOT touch that account for six months. I had a friend dip into theirs for a small amount and the lender told them come back in six months!

    In applying for the mortgage itself we decided to go with a broker just in case I had missed anything and to have them give my documents a once over before applying. Honestly, if you have your documents ready, have some knowledge of interest rates and how much you can afford I really don’t think you need one. I’d probably only recommend getting a mortgage broker if you’re not great with organisation, paperwork or have had credit history problems in the past. Finally, www.mortgages.ie is a fantastic little site for a simple mortgage calculator, how much it will cost you with each lender and for you to get an idea who to go with when applying. The “Lively” app is excellent for getting you mortgage ready too and will protect you from any affordability surprises that you may not have considered.

    Anyway, best of luck to anyone going through the process!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71 ✭✭Coincide


    Any chance they up the Max price of house allowed in help to buy?

    Only allowed buy a new build up to 500k, this makes for extremely slim pickings when you need a 3 bed in the Rathcoole/Newcastle area. Furthest out I'd go would be Naas or Newbridge at a push if the house was great.

    Most 3 beds in these areas are now above 500k so can't use help to buy. Just last year these houses qualify for help to buy.

    Seems to me they could do with adjusting the price up to 600k



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭dashdoll


    It's not fit for purpose in Dublin....so frustrating!



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