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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 567 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    Very serious damage sustained to that one, possible it's been taken offline for the long term.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,763 ✭✭✭macraignil




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭rogber


    Good strike in Moscow this morning. None of these are going to win the war but they at least remind these people that they are safe nowhere and that might help end this a bit sooner



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,688 ✭✭✭riddles


    I’d imagine western tech not easily replaced with sanctions will slow down repairs even further



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,463 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    We should also note that Russian advances on the ground are at a crawl with massive losses.

    Id wonder how much longer until the back of the Russian army breaks.

    AA seems to be confined to the Front leaving huge amounts of Russian rear targets as easy picking

    The oddity and rareness of Russian armour leads me to believe there is serious trouble here too.

    Russian infantry morale is non existent. They know they are sent in meat suits.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,465 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,620 ✭✭✭happyoutscan


    So if there is no body, there's no payment to the family.

    Lovely man is Putin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,333 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    Wonder will it end up like that Wagner grave that once Prigozhin died they just knocked the graves down and built over the bodies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,063 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    That gave me the shivers .. I'm struggling to get my head around the scale -

    Look that video could be propaganda - but with the number of Russians dieing daily.. it wouldn't surprise me if it's 100% true

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Extra irony here is that the diggers are designed and built in the decadent west



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭carveone


    That's an interesting point and it'll be an interesting election to watch, thanks. Maybe this is also why Trump hasn't implemented tarrrifs against the EU yet too?

    Afd has a lot more influence than it's had previously and the CFD might need to carefully heed the lessons of the US election (whatever those are!) . I've personally no idea how it'll play out or what effect the result will have so I won't speculate. But as the largest economy in the EU, whatever happens in Germany will have an influence on EU policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,546 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    It seems weird to me. Where are they getting the bodies from? We're seeing visually confirmed soldiers that have fallen still on the (battle)field for the drones to view and it doesn't appear that Russia are risking life and limb to retrieve anyone. Are these the bodies of the wounded who later die due to poor medical care? Or are they the bodies of the vanquished/liberated?

    Either way, it's pretty concerning. But as long as its invading Russians doing most of the dying, I won't worry about where they end up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,687 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Perhaps the wounded that were able to make it back to their support side. I know, mostly they leave the wounded to die, or kill them out of hand, but some must make it back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,845 ✭✭✭yagan


    Are we sure it's not just peat stripping?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,362 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    In the clip it shows rows of white coloured body shaped bags. It's not a solid row because it's staggered in places. It shows trenches being dug then and the spoil heaped up. At the excavator at the trench it shows people in white coveralls in the trench. Commentator says they are dragging the bodies in. As the excavator is digging it looks like these white rows of body shaped bags are ending at the excavator so would concur that they are being dragged in as it's being dug. Commentator pans out to show more artic refridgerated lorries queing up down the road facing towards the site.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,225 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    I read post elsewhere earlier today that said the frontline hospitals are overwhelmed with injured Russians and insufficient medical staff, and the behind-the-lines hospitals aren't in much better. The most senior officers get shuttled further and further back to get the best treatment, and the least senior get bandaged up and sent back to the front line to die another day. Apparently that saves on paperwork, because the local commander doesn't have to justify sending his quota of troops back to Russia; and it preserves stressed medical support systems for those who "really need it" - i.e. the guys with the brownest noses.

    Between those two extremes, there must be an awful lot of fellows who die from their injuries. Don't forget, too, that there are hundreds killed in barracks, training grounds, command centres and the like - they can't be left to rot within sight and smell of the local Russians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,528 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Really when you see images like that, Putin really is a psychopath.

    The whole war is entirely unnecessary outside of Putin's head, yet we now have approaching a million Russians dead and injured. Not to mention Ukrainians, Koreans and others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,763 ✭✭✭macraignil


    The Ukrainian armed forces seem to be keeping count of the number of putin's terrorists they kill or are confident are seriously injured from what actions they take, but how many of putin's terrorists are killed by their own troops when they don't follow orders to run into a suicidal attack on prepared positions or just freeze to death because disrupted supply lines don't bring what they need to stay alive on the front lines? Mass graves could just be the troops that did not make it through a cold night on the front and the estimates of casualties from the Ukrainian side could be an underestimate of the numbers of putin's terrorists he has sent to die for his delusions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 567 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    Thousands of bodies just being tossed into pits with no regard whatsoever. Fairly clear that the orcs are suffering catastrophic losses in manpower.

    I can see why a warped madman like putler would order such a thing though.

    1. To give these people proper burials in moscow or st petersburg would mean revealing the true scale of the losses. It would really bring the war home to ruzzia and be a personal disaster for putler's image.
    2. If soldiers go missing and there's no body, then there's no need for putler to pay out death in service benefits to the family of the deceased.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,789 ✭✭✭✭josip


    I thought the same for a while but then I wondered why would you need a refrigerated truck (Coolchain on the side) for peat stripping?

    Maybe they're burying them temporarily in peat soil so that they can re-inter them later when the war is over. One would like to think.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,886 ✭✭✭wandererz


    Reminds me of the images of the mass graves being dug in New York during covid. Over a million people dead across the country. The orange idiot suggested looney tunes remediations. Now he's back.

    And the other micro sized looney in Moscow is now actively perpetuating mass murder and mass graves of his own people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,366 ✭✭✭Field east


    I would expect Ru to clear as many of the fallen Russian soldiers from the field so as not to show thoese going to the front what lies ahead of them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,528 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    For sure Russia has a lot of demographic problems.

    • Decreasing population. It's been decreasing since 1994, and the war accelerates the drop.
    • High mortality/low life expectancy: Due to for example alcoholism, poor medical facilities for the average citizen, reduced spending on services etc.
    • Low birth rates: not helped by the young people being sent to die in a war
    • Brain drain: educated Russians are leaving the country for a better life abroad

    This is not easily reversed, and immigrants aren't a sufficient answer. And again, a bad economy and risk of being sent to the meat grinder aren't very enticing to immigrants. It's all linked.

    Even if the war was to stop tomorrow and all sanctions were lifted and assets unfrozen, it's still a grim situation for Russia. The frozen assets would surely need to be used for compensation and reconstruction in Ukraine anyways.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Your expectation is based on what you think a civilised people would do, not a criminal regime pushing men from a degenerated and now destroyed culture into a wood chipper over a few square meters of mud

    There are multiple videos posted by Russians of going to front walking past bodies after bodies of their comrades or driving past miles of tank after destroyed tank, or photos of whole fields cowered in Russian corpses

    The bodies are being disposed of by local pigs and dogs on the cheap



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,845 ✭✭✭yagan


    With that in mind maybe the mass burial in the clip is from their covid era. It would make far more sense considering the retrieving bodies from the front is not really happening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    It might be for victims of Russian Nazi filtration concentration camps



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,063 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Could be , I'd be intrigued if someone who's good at things could geo-locate and date the video , but I'll keep an open mind - COVID is a very valid explanation - but current war grave is quite likely as well ..

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,845 ✭✭✭yagan


    The white biohazard suits would suggest a COVID era mass burial.

    It actually looks too organized compared to the absolute shambles they've become after three years of a three day invasion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭rogber


    This article from Forbes sums it up pretty well: Russia is still advancing, but slowly and with losses that surely are not sustainable indefinitely (which does not alter the fact that Ukraine also has issues now with manpower and morale):



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭rogber


    Yeah we've seen people post computer game footage here before claiming it to be real war footage and some people fall for it due to wishful thinking. Would also like this video verified by a reliable source



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