[Resolved] Banned again from soccer forum

eagle eye · 02-02-2025 01:28PM #1

I feel I'm being targeted here. I feel the moderation is ridiculous and I'm not sure it's being applied similarly to other people.

I'm only back from a three month ban for something that in my opinion was also ridiculous but I came here and it was upheld, which doesn't surprise.

This time it's way over the top.

I've been banned for this post.

I haven't been following this. Why would he be apologising to Liverpool fans?

I got this via pm

Trolling - posting in a manner to wind up other posters.

PM sent to expand on reasoning.

6 Month Soccer Forum Ban as per Charter.

I never received a pm to expand on the reasoning.

I want this ban removed and I think you should have a stern conversation with , if not remove, this moderator.

I didn't know anything about the topic and made that clear in my post just asking a question.

ShamoBuc · 02-02-2025 01:44PM

As I issued the Warning and the Ban, I will not be taking a look at this, I will pass it onto Admin.

However, it is rather disingenious of you to say ' I never received a pm to expand on the reasoning.'

eagle eye · 02-02-2025 02:39PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123126935#Comment_123126935

My mistake, you sent that in a separate pm.

Also I certainly don't want you taking a look at it. I'm hoping that at a minimum you get a stern talking to over this ban.

Big Bag of Chips · 02-02-2025 09:21PM

@eagle eye you do not get to demand any action or sanction on any moderator. You've already started out by lying in your first post of the dispute resolution.

Would you like to start again without the dig at the moderator and without the lie about not receiving a follow up PM?

eagle eye · 02-02-2025 11:40PM

I already responded to him after he posted. I said,

My mistake, you sent that in a separate pm

I wasn't lying, I made a mistake.

I see where you are going though. This is your angle to say I can't be believed that my post was genuine and that I've already proven that I'm a liar in this thread.

Big Bag of Chips · 03-02-2025 12:51AM

You said you never received a PM, then when the moderator posted the PM you suddenly remembered you got a PM?

You also feel entitled to call for sanctions against a moderator who volunteers his time just trying to keep the forum civil and enjoyable for all. You are not being targeted. You are being disruptive in both the soccer forum and the dispute resolution.

This is your chance to try resolve this and you come here thinking you can call the shots and have a moderator removed.

So, I ask again - would you like to start this again? Because so far you really are not convincing me that the warning was applied incorrectly or that you were genuinely misunderstood.

eagle eye · 03-02-2025 02:13AM

I'm very annoyed by how I'm being treated. It's like somebody just doesn't like me and wants me banned all the time. This is the second time I've been banned for something I didn't do. On the last one, which I also brought to your attention here, I was banned for trolling when what I was banned for wasn't even referenced in my post. This forum upheld the ban.

As regards the accusations of lying, I made a mistake.

I'm not stupid, I knew the moderator was going to monitor this thread. It would be idiotic to tell a lie and especially one that could be easily proven.

Back to the moderation. I'm being banned for asking a question. The moderator is automatically assuming I actually knew what was going on.

And even if I did, and I did not, the post clearly asks a questions and states I haven't been following it. Can you tell me how on earth this can be considered baiting or trolling?

Even though it's quite clear to any rational person that this is not baiting or trolling I still expect you to uphold the moderators decision.

I wasn't aware I couldn't ask for a moderator to be investigated and given a stern talking to if it was viewed that my treatment is different to how others are treated.

I apologise for anything I've said that upset you.

Big Bag of Chips · 03-02-2025 09:39AM

I don't believe you made a mistake. Do you receive so many PMs that one from the moderator discussing your warning got lost in the mix?

Your follow up post said

Was he drugged up when he said that? It doesn't seem like that big of a deal to me if he was.

So, what he said was deemed serious enough for him to be sacked, yet you're on thread saying it doesn't seem like that big a deal. I don't know how you think that doesn't come across as trolling.

If you didn't know about the incident, which I find incredibly difficult to believe (I don't follow premier league soccer and I remember hearing about this) then it was foolish in the extreme to make that comment knowing someone was sacked. Clearly it was decided it was a big deal by those who investigated it.

Your posts do come across as trolling.

I understand your feeling of being treated unfairly and that someone just doesn't like you. It is incredibly likely that someone indeed doesn't like you. But the reason they don't like you is your posting style. Moderators don't tend to have personal feelings on people they don't know. Any opinion a moderator has is 100% based on content posted.

eagle eye · 03-02-2025 02:05PM

So you are outright calling me a liar. And that's the angle you need to uphold the ban, surprise, surprise

You are moving off the post for which I was banned and onto another post. Why are you not dealing with the post which I was banned for?

i post about multiple sports on this site and my posting style doesn't seem to be an issue on any of the other forums.

I'm a sports nut and just love watching great athletes who've put so much hard work into achieving their goals. I played at provincial level in rugby and in the Leinster Senior league in soccer. I've coached both sports as well.

I never troll or bait anybody,

I'm just less likely to take the guilty route than most.

I've spent a lot of time in criminal court over the past thirty years. I'm not a solicitor, barrister or judge and I'd prefer to keep my profession private but if you want to know I'll tell you via pm.

I would never try and create stress for anybody. Stress is very bad for people with mental conditions and cancer patients. I've helped out people with depression at work. People will always talk to me because they know anything they tell me will go no further. Cancer I know about because I have it. Of course you accuse me of being a liar so you don't believe that. I did post about it in early May '23 after being diagnosed and believing I was clear of it. That was in the NBA forum and would have been on the 8th or 9th of May '23, I remember posting about it again when I had another biopsy but I'm not sure when that was. Unfortunately although the diagnosis was initially wrong I do have non-hodgkins lymphoma.

The above isn't meant to look like a pity party. I'm not one that gets down over anything and I'm 99.9% confident that I'll beat it.

Moving on. I don't watch the news or any current affairs shows outside of the US Presidential election which I find entertaining.

I don't watch any British or Irish TV outside of sport. I don't use the social media sites like Facebook, twitter etc. I rarely listen to interviews with players or pundits after a game. I do read ESPN as I'm a lover of a lot of American sports.

I get my news from friends and most are close to my own age, they are mid to late fifties. I get my sports news, stuff outside what happens on the field, from boards.

Just thinking there, I actually do not know who the current Taoiseach is.

After typing out all of that I'm now thinking it's possible that because I don't go down the guilty route immediately I'm being looked at and treated differently.

If that's the case it's a sad world we live in.

Anyway there is no badness in me. I'm an honest and caring person, married with kids.

If you decide this ban is genuine I'll be very disappointed as it means you've decided I'm a liar whether that's your honest opinion or just an angle to back up the moderator. If you do decide I'm a liar then I'd suspect the latter tbh.

Big Bag of Chips · 03-02-2025 03:35PM

Cancer I know about because I have it. Of course you accuse me of being a liar so you don't believe that

Don't decide for me what I believe or not. In my capacity as moderator and admin I tend to give people a fair hearing.

I moved onto your next post as context for the post you were warned as being perceived as trolling. Your next post is also trolling. If you prefer I can reverse the warning on this post and advise the soccer mods to apply a warning to your next post instead?

In my opinion you were trolling. You have picked up multiple warnings and bans in the forum, enough to now have you on a 6 month ban. So you have form.

You still haven't convinced me you weren't trolling, and I'm not sure you even engaged with the moderator first as is the first step in this process. Your first response was you didn't want him having anything to do with it this appeal. And you also ignored a PM from him regarding your ban.

Have you attempted to discuss this with the moderator who issued the warning? If not I suggest you do. I also suggest you do it without taking potshots or calling for anyone to be removed from their position. If you start from a point of civility you are more likely to get a favourable response.

ShamoBuc · 03-02-2025 04:00PM

For clarity purposes, please find below the complete PM conversation After the PM that I posted above.

Having read the last line, I decided no other contact was necessary.

eagle eye · 03-02-2025 04:34PM

I did discuss it with him in another pm but I didn't think it had anything to do with the actual ban but I did mention the ban

His response was to accuse me of pm'ing him the same as I post on the forum.

I got a 0 point warning for the post you are referring to before the ban was given to me even though that post was after the one I got the ban for.

So basically for not going straight to a guilty verdict I'm being banned and you can't deny that.

And as I said to you, my previous ban was ridiculous as well but you found in his favour on that where he banned me for something that had no relevance to the post he banned me for.

And in that thread I was disliked for not conforming with the general opinion that Man City would be seriously punished for all the charges against them. I simply explained that they had the money to tie the whole thing up in court until the Premier league administration was close to broke and they'd then offer a deal where they would pay all the legal bills and accept a very large fine. That's realism whether people like it or not and it's a valid opinion. The fact I stated multiple times that it's not right that they would get away with it seemed to be ignored because people didn't like my opinion on the likely verdict.

As somebody whose spent a lot of time over the last thirty years in court I know how these things work when you get a super rich business facing a person or small business with limited funds.

It's now looking very likely, from reading on the forum, that City are going to get a large fine and nothing else. It's looking like my opinion is correct.

It's no surprise to me that you have found in his favour.

I've got a bunch of PM's since this thread began saying you will never overturn a ban and that I'm wasting my time.

I know I've done nothing wrong.

I'm just not willing to outright accuse somebody of being crooked just because the media lean that way. It does look suspicious though and I alluded to that in another post. I just gave an alternate opinion that he might have only given advice based on personal knowledge. I didn't say that was fact or in any way what actually happened. I did say there is only proof of the text afterwards, I didn't explain that anything from beforehand is heresay and wouldn't be acceptable in any court. I did say that the yellow card was clearly warranted so that can't be held against him. I put up a video showing the incident and nobody said the yellow card was not warranted.

So you continue being you with the temerity to call me a liar and looking for another reason to ban me. You stick with the ban for me asking a question out of innocence or go and change the 0 point warning into a ban.

Big Bag of Chips · 03-02-2025 05:01PM

I haven't found in anybody's favour. This dispute is still open. I also don't care how many PMs you've received. They're irrelevant to this process.

Your first PM to the moderator above wasn't attempting to resolve the issue with him. As for your final question about how many 50+ year olds we know of trolling and baiting people - The beauty of the internet is we have no idea who you are, what age you are, what you do for a living. None of it is relevant.

But in saying that, judging by the age profile most likely using this particular platform I would say a good portion of the baiting and trolling done on here is by that demographic.

Your posts are full of irrelevant detail and personal digs at me and the moderator. So again, I'm really not seeing any reason to believe you are not a troublesome poster in the soccer forum. You're full of attitude and telling me what I believe or what I am going to do. That's attack, not defense. It's not a tactic I'm interested in engaging with in a dispute resolution process.

eagle eye · 03-02-2025 05:14PM

I'm just telling it as I see it. If you perceived anything I've said as personal digs at you I'm sorry you feel that way. Can you point out to me those perceived digs?

In your very first post you called me a liar. This has led me to say things regarding that a lot.

You are saying this is not over but from your very first post it's sounded that way to me.

I've done nothing wrong. I give my opinion on things. I said it's going to be very hard to prove he did anything wrong with an explanation for why.

I can't see how that's an outrageous opinion. Do I have to explain in every post that it's an opinion based on thirty years of being in court?

Big Bag of Chips · 03-02-2025 05:29PM

You keep mentioning 30 years of being in court like it's somehow relevant! It's not.

You were accused of trolling on an internet forum. You started this dispute saying you never got a PM explaining the warning. Then admitted you did after the moderator posted it here. It may be a 'mistake' on your part but it seems to be one in a series of 'mistakes' where you were taken up wrong or genuinely mistaken.

You have told me what I believe (I take that as a personal dig). You have told me that I have already decided the outcome (if I did I would have locked this thread). You have told me I never overturn a ban (I have).

If this ban is upheld it's not because I think you are a liar, it will be because I think you are more trouble than you a worth for the soccer forum moderators. And I say it again, your off-topic, irrelevant ramblings on this dispute resolution aren't convincing me otherwise.

eagle eye · 03-02-2025 05:55PM

I don't go off topic on the soccer forum. I think I've explained things quite clearly not just about this ban but the previous one as well.

I don't think there's anything else I can say about the matter.

I am really upset about being called a liar.

The fact that some of my opinions aren't in line with the majority of posters shouldn't be held against me. Those who get upset because somebody has an alternative view are the problem.

I get loads of people quoting my posts and trying to belittle me and I've never thought of reporting them, I just respond trying to simplify my opinion.

Big Bag of Chips · 03-02-2025 10:38PM

I don't go off topic on the soccer forum. I think I've explained things quite clearly not just about this ban but the previous one as well.

I have no idea what most of your posts on this thread are about. You've explained nothing clearly. You seem to be mixing up your warnings and have said things that are just not true. You were given a warning and 6 month ban for a trolling post, which you claim was just asking a question. Your following post was also trolling. You claim you were given a zero point warning for that. I don't see any warning applied to that post. You are talking about a yellow card and a video which are nothing to do with this warning.

You were given 3 warnings in 3 weeks.

I honestly don't know if you are just a bit clueless and not able to keep track of things or if you are a complete troll.

I will not be making a decision on this tonight. I will discuss with the soccer moderators to get more background because honestly, nothing you've said here makes much sense to me.

I will update tomorrow.

eagle eye · 03-02-2025 10:58PM

I've explained clearly that I'm not trolling or baiting anybody.

You have some cheeky accusing me of being a liar.

You saying I haven't explained things clearly is mistaken or is it a lie?

Big Bag of Chips · 04-02-2025 12:16AM

I discussed this warning which you were given for trolling. And then quoted this follow up post from you:

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You then claimed you got a 0 point warning for the post I'm talking about (the above quote is the only other post I referenced):

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This is not true. I am not calling you a liar. I specifically said that I don't know if it's a case that you're just not able to keep track, and therefore getting confused, or if you are actually trolling.

You then started talking about a guilty verdict - which has absolutely nothing to do with the post you were warned for, or the follow up post I quoted.

So again, you have explained nothing clearly. You have gone on tangents, confused your warnings, claimed things that have nothing to do with this appeal, and claimed things that have turned out to not be true. Again I will say, I'm not sure if you are genuinely confused, or absolutely trolling. I will discuss with the moderators who are more familiar with your posts and make my decision tomorrow.

eagle eye · 04-02-2025 02:21AM

I stated I didn't lie and that I only asked a question in the post I was banned for.

You then moved the goalposts to another post which I'm unable to read due to the ban. I presumed that was the post I got a 0 point warning for.

Is what you reference above the full post? I thought I said he already got punished for it by losing his job?

Anyway a guy full of drink and drugs says stupid things. Is that surprising? Would you take it as seriously as somebody saying the same thing when sober? Would you take it seriously at all? I can tell you I wouldn't, I'd put it down to him being full of drink and drugs and liable to say anything. It doesn't excuse it but it makes it a lot less serious.

This was just after I found out he insulted Liverpool because that was not in the Guardian article that was put up when I asked my question. I was told that he said Liverpool were s__t in a game which is pretty harmless.

And there was no angry responses to what I said. If somebody had quoted me and said he needed to apologise I'd have agreed with them.

In fact I remember one person basically saying it's no surprise for a referee to say something like that with what they have to put up with week in and week out. He may not have used those exact words but it was the sentiment of his post.

I wonder did that poster get a ban? I suspect he didn't even get a 0 point warning.

Then another poster suggested that the whole thing about a fix was highly unlikely and that he was just foolish to have that conversation about a match he was going to referee. He said it may have been a case where a guy told him to book the player and that he never gave advice.

I mention that because you say the post you reference didn't get me a zero point warning which then means I got a warning for saying his conversation might have been an innocent one. So not taking the 'he's guilty' line got me a warning. And as it turns out he may not have said anything.

You say you haven't called me a liar.

In your very first post you said You've already started out by lying in your first post

And that was after the moderator posted saying we had a discussion and I replied saying 'my mistake'

A couple of posts later you said I don't believe you made a mistake.

There again you are calling me a liar.

In another post you said You seem to be mixing up your warnings and have said things that are just not true

There again you call me a liar and I'm not going to look for more of them but I know there's more times that you called me a liar.

Anyway I've waffled a fair bit but I've covered everything related to the post I got banned for and the one you say I should get banned for if not the one I was banned for.

There is nothing that's baiting or trolling in either post. At least not in the view of a rational mind.

Big Bag of Chips · 04-02-2025 09:38AM

I said you lied in your opening post of this DRP. You said something that was not true. Whether that was deliberate or a mistake I can't tell.

You then went on with many lengthy, rambling, irrelevant posts. In these posts you also said things that weren't true. You told me you got a zero point warning for a post I quoted. You didn't. You are claiming you didn't know I was talking about a different post because you can't see the forum. You saw the post I quoted, and the post you got the zero point warning for would have been linked in the warning message. So you would have known they were not the same post. You even were able to finish the post I snipped in my quote, so you knew exactly which post I was talking about.

Again, I don't know if you are genuinely confused and not aware of the goings on or if you are deliberately being difficult and trolling.

I have said I will speak to the moderators. Which I will do today. I am leaning towards you being a bit clueless and not fully aware of what is going on rather than deliberately trolling.

Big Bag of Chips · 04-02-2025 10:49PM

Ok eagle eye, I have spent a lot of time reading your posts, reading this dispute and discussing with moderators.

You say you post on many sports forums and no other moderators have a problem with your posting style. This is incorrect. You have picked up warnings in Rugby and American Football for exactly the same style of posting.

On one hand you claim to be a "sports nut" and a keen follower of multiple sports. On the other hand you claim to not follow sports very closely and don't really know what's going on, hence why you were "only asking a question". You post on multiple threads as if you are an expert on the topic and indeed have personally insulted posters who don't agree with your opinion. Yet when pulled up for trolling you claim to not be an expert and again are "just asking questions".

You received a 1 month ban in September for this type of trolling posting. You came back in October and pretty much immediately picked up a 3 month ban for trolling. And now in January, when just back off that ban you picked up another for the same reason.

I don't believe you are compatible with the soccer forum. You are posting in a forum for soccer fans. People who follow the game, follow the leagues, follow the personnel involved. You seem out of your depth in the forum and your constant "just asking questions" leads to disruption and doubts to your sincerity. Numerous warnings and instructions do not seem to be getting through to you. As a result I think it is better for all if your access to the forum is removed.

I am upholding the 6 month ban.

eagle eye · 05-02-2025 03:27AM

I know all about playbooks, players, tactics, formations, coaching, diet and training as regards most sports.

I don't follow any type of news media.

I do read ESPN. I have a favourites thing set up on it so I only read what I want to read.

I follow many sports very closely as regards games. The other knowledge is from being actively involved in playing, in my younger years, and coaching which I still do.

I have never trolled or baited people.

I have insulted people in the past and generally it's a return on an insult to me and I understand that's wrong and I try not to do that anymore and I'm doing pretty well at avoiding doing it these days.

In this latest incident there was no view I expressed that others didn't agree with. The question I asked was genuine.

Later comments included

The Liverpool aspect is the least interesting aspect of the whole thing.

From the various statements made, the most likely chain of events is that the guy he was talking to said something along the lines of "give Alioski a booking for me!"

That basically covers everything I'm being banned for except asking a question.

In the previous incident a couple of months ago we had moved on to talking about big soccer clubs versus smaller ones and how the whole system was unfair to smaller clubs and that a salary cap would be a great thing. I wrote a post about the bigger clubs in bigger cities, and I named those clubs, having a huge advantage and that their success was related to their huge fan base. I was banned for that for some insane reason. I'm not sure if it was you but the ban was upheld.

I posted in the soccer forum for many years and then gave it a break. Since I came back I've been dealing with this crap from very early on.

But unsurprisingly you are going with your moderator and upholding the ban.

What percentage of bans have you overturned? Would it be as high as 0.25%? . That's 1 in 400 in case your math is not great. I'd be surprised if it was that high.

I'll now call you a liar because your last post includes these statements,

On the other hand you claim to not follow sports very closely and don't really know what's going on

I never said that and you know it. I said I follow sport but don't watch interviews or follow media.

your constant "just asking questions

If you've checked up on me as you've claimed then you know I rarely ask questions. More lies.

What's needed here is an independent arbitrator to assess bans and make a decision as to whether they should be upheld or not.

A buddy or teammate is always going to back his own.

You are clearly not fair and this ban and the last one given to me prove that this site is rigged against a poster who is just not liked by certain moderators.

I am an honest and decent person, I've met loads of boardsies over the years and I've never had an issue with any of them and that includes DeVore.

I'm aware that Devore sold up and is long gone but the site was far better back then with reasonable, rational people selected as moderators.

So good luck to you and your totally biased dispute resolution. There's no resolution here it's back the moderator no matter how ridiculous the ban.

Big Bag of Chips · 05-02-2025 08:45AM

This warning is nothing to do with a yellow card situation. I don't know why you keep mentioning it. You were warned and banned for asking a question. A question the moderator felt was you trolling and baiting Liverpool fans. I agree with them.

The fact you don't even know what warning you are discussing only enforces my belief that you are not able for the soccer forum.

eagle eye · 05-02-2025 09:08AM

You are calling me a liar again. Good lad, keep it up.

You don't know me but you see a bad person whose trying to cause trouble. Just like you do with everybody that comes here.

It says a lot about you and not good things.

Big Bag of Chips · 05-02-2025 09:20AM

Dispute closed.

[Resolved] Banned again from soccer forum

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