Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

I don't think those concerns (jobs etc) are genuine. At this point in the livestreamed genocide, it's more of a matter of frantically scrambling around for anything to excuse their support

Why are some people acting like this is some football league where you either support one team or another.

It's entirely reasonable and logical that you could both believe that certain actions could potentially be bad for the Irish economy and also simultaneously believe that Israel is doing terrible things. It's not a zero sum thing.

Someone who thinks Israel is committing war crimes left right and centre, someone who thinks Israel is responding to an attack with a completely unwarranted force multiplier, both, either, or something else, these are all generally completely 100% fine opinions to be discussed and debated.

The idea that people could have genuine concerns about multinational investment in Ireland (which our economy relies heavily on) can be boiled down to islamophobia and hatred of "brown people" is utterly absurd.

If your standard tactic is to shout accusations of that kind, and accuse people of being Hasbara agents, or genocide advocates, because their views don't align with yours, you're not really interested in a rational discussion.

One particular poster has been nakedly posting unhinged stuff akin to Nazi propoganda that basically amounts to the Jews controlling the world and pulling all the strings of Government and global media.

I am just going to call a spade a spade and without naming names, that particular poster clearly hates the state of Israel and the fact it exists as much or more so than the plight of Gaza.

Again, for clarity, and I can't stress it enough, I have zero problem whatsoever with people critical of Israel, Israeli policy on Palestine, Israeli actions in Palestine, Israel actions since Oct 7th.

It wouldn't be OK to accuse people who support Palestine and condemn Israel of being green headband wearing, terror supporting, women's rights trampling agents and I don't really see stuff like that posted.

Yet it seems to be OK to accuse people of being Hasbara agents and passionate genocide supporters simply because they don't think the situation or ultimate solution is some binary black and white thing solely attributable to one actor.

It's beyond shocking. It's a lack of moral character too.

It wouldn't be OK to accuse people who support Palestine and condemn Israel of being green headband wearing, terror supporting, women's rights trampling agents and I don't really see stuff like that posted.

I'll take it at face value that you are new to this thread. That's exactly what a large cohort of people say regularly. Anybody who takes a moral stand in wanting the violence and land grabbing to stop and Israel's leaders to be face trial in the international court, are frequently asked to account for Hamas, called terrorist supporters, and most commonly of all, antisemetic, as this whole country and its leaders are currently and ridiculously being slandered for. Look at Sean W's "da Joos" post a few posts back, witty and all as that was.

These same posters dehumanise Palestinians civilians as barbarians or bloodthirsty terrorists, minimise the value of their lives, whilst treating Israeli lives as some sacred covenant - so much so that a terrorist organization taking Israeli life means the civilian population that that organisation operates in are deservant of any death and destruction reigned upon them. Of course, all life is sacred, but any views they have on Israeli life is totally inconsistent with how they view Palestinian.

Yet it seems to be OK to accuse people of being Hasbara agents and passionate genocide supporters simply because they don't think the situation or ultimate solution is some binary black and white thing solely attributable to one actor.

There are honest posters concerned for Irelands stance on this war, and perfectly entitled to their pov, and like anybody if they give an honest pov I'd take it on board. But when the same posters who engage in the nasty stuff outlined above start beating this drum and putting "Ireland first" as it's latest reason for Ireland not to take a stand against what is likely a genocide, it's taken by many with a grain of salt.

Feel free to read through a few random pages of the thread and see for yourself. Hopefully youll apply the standards that you put on the poster you are talking about previously, to all posters on here.

Women and children have been slaughtered in their 10's of thousands and we have individuals like you crawling out of the woodwork acting as apologists for the genocide.

How do you even sleep at night trying to downplay the war crimes that Israel commits against innocent Palestinians?

Imagine someone coming on here and posting a picture of a fat Jewish person coming out of hiding somewhere in Europe in 1945 ecstatic that the war is over, and then that poster saying "Look at this photo. It sure doesn't look like there was any genocide to me. Here's the proof".

Let's also apply your logic to the current instance. People appear to say that the lads on October 7th did terrible things. Yet we have seen photos of the IDF prisoners they took being released and smiling, looking healthy and happy. Which disproves all the other evidence to the contrary. All we need is one photo. Which we can pretend disproves all other evidence - including other photos.

I can understand that some are disappointed that many of the people in Gaza survived.

If they are killed, even if they are children, they are termed as collateral damage or human shields, not as victims. I too would be happy to survive an operation that has such attitudes. If that is what civilized people are thinking we haven't moved on much from the 1940s.

The post you were replying to was about far right zionists happy to be in the same camp as right wing extremists in europe and the US.

You escalated that by saying the poster was implying that all jews should be wiped out.

So another poster replied with an equally ridiculous scenario and said it was ridiculous, but just to show how ridiculous your logic is.

So you reply with a post about a terrorist attack, against non jews, in a country thousands of Km from israel.

Do you realise how crazy your logic is? People are calling you out and you just keep going. You make baseless allegations and try connecting completely unrelated incidents.

Your reading comprehension needs to be addressed.

Mod note: poster warned

would you say it is "far right " to be against the Islamization of Europe ?

Well, continuing on from above, regardless of far right or not, I'd say it would be fairly stupid to be against some imagined "Islamization of Europe" while supporting actions driving more Muslims towards it…………….

It would be like some eejit hating all the Ukrainians being here, and their preferred "solution" to that being that the West should stop sending Kyiv weapons so that Russia can take over the entire country quicker and push more of them out.

You should be ashamed of yourself and your evil guff.

Israel has no choice but go side with Nazis if it doesn't want to be wiped out? You serious?

Muslims commit crimes from other parts of the world, so what - genociding Palestinians is necessary? Are they some hive mind and are you saying if "Islamicists" commit crimes, all Muslims should be accountable? Should you be held accountable for the crimes of other Christians?

You are against Europe being islamisicised, so what, similarly, murdering tens of thousands of Palestinians is grand?

As to your stabbing children reference. Guess where the most dangerous place on earth it is to be a child. Look it up. Then tell me who is killing them. Happy to hear your answer on this, not that those kids will factor into your deranged narrative.

These views you have aren't far right, they are insane.

Well I think it's more of a shame that the "civilisation" component of "Western civilisation" isn't able to manifest itself through 100% of the people who grew up with the benefit of it. That's the real damage.

Whether that is Western governments ripping up established rules based systems at the behest of the zionists, or posters on an anonymous website getting the horn over kids being killed