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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP, Updated 18/03/25

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,992 ✭✭✭ronjo


    Trump said he was going to do many many things.

    He does one or two and supporter use that to "prove" their point.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Hello. You might be referencing the wrong comment in your reply.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,023 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    It was a democrat convention in case you missed it. Is that the kind of politics you'd like to see here. They really need help, The Trumps will be in power for generations if that's what the competition are up to.

    The Americans will survive, let's see how Cork holds up, our idiotic politicians with pronouns in their bio aren't going to save them that's for sure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,323 ✭✭✭Field east


    if the US wants to address a deficit issue with any nation ALLIT HASTO DO is , for example, import less from Ireland and export more to it. It, for example, can lower its CIF - cost, insurance , freight- prices of the goods/services it wants to export and make them more competitive to other suppliers that Ireland use. Simple as unless someone else out there has another take on how to reduce a deficit



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,562 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Nope, not at all. You've been claiming Trump is getting things done and what he promised. So far it seems to be attacking minorities including the LGBT community, people who aren't white, those with disabilities and people with mental health issues. I guess he did promise that but the actual benefit simply is non existent.

    Meanwhile he's in the process of drastically increasing the price of goods and decreasing exports. Which do you the American public will care more about? It's gonna be the latter but you will have plenty with family/friends in those groups who will be pissed off on behalf of their. So it looks like he'll manage to piss off a huge proportion of the public.

    Trump is making history but it's that of the US becoming irrelevant in the international order that's the reality. You seem to be missing that his international positions which involve actual finesse are failing miserably. But he signs some EOs and you lap it up.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 208 ✭✭Papagei


    It's interesting that the tariffs won't be effective until Tuesday and not Monday. Perhaps he's hoping to be offered concessions on Monday so he can cancel the Tariffs before Tuesday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,342 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    My understanding was that he didn't need Congress for tariffs.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,603 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Please. That's you dumping a link and nothing more. The Democrat campaign was a centre-right affair with no input from anyone concerned about Israel's genocide. The only identity politics I see is from the GOP and their diversity hires.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,562 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    They had a non binary candidate, they didn't get elected, not exactly scandalous. I'm guessing the libsoftiktok account is equally outraged cause Parkland survivor David Hogg got elected.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,535 ✭✭✭techdiver


    Can any Trump apologist defend this?

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    He's a vindictive fascist. Plain and simple. It also shows the complete disfunction of the US system that 1 man can do whatever he seems to want without consequence.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,199 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I think you are over estimating US military hardware. The heavy tanks Ukraine got were German, 50% of the Artillery was German, French or Nordic. Mainly the US provide APC's ( Bradley's end of life stock) and F16's. The USbis not goingbto stop supplying spare parts to European countries. Even if it did it would be a 1-2 year issue if at all.

    If Poland, Lithuania, Estonia and Latvia decided to enter the war on Ukraine side it would be over in a few weeks unless Russia went Nuclear. Going Nuclear 2oukd carry its own risk for Russia.

    The mistake Ukraine made was not joining Nato back.in the noughties. It was unlucky that Obama was President when Russia invaded first. If Biden or someone similar had been President and activated the treaty Nato signed when Ukraine gave up it Nuclear arsenal we would not have the mess we have now.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 208 ✭✭Papagei




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,220 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    He'll publicly 'revoke their security detail' in the same way that tyrants in the past used to put their opponents heads on pikes on the road into the capital city.

    Anyone who was considering taking a stand against Trump will know that, not only will they themselves be targeted, but tyey won't be able to rely on the support of any of their former colleagues.

    Its Tyranny 101

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Still off track to my comment, but we do agree on a couple of things which are facts. 1) Tariff wars do hurt people's pockets, including Americans. 2) Trump is making history. (it may not be favourable to many, but it is happening)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    Where's that marvellous Medicare plan, or concept of a plan, or thoughts of a concept of a plan he's been thinking of working on for the last few years?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,027 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    The term "woke" is now a lazy pejorative, used by people who are angry at the adjustment made to social standings.

    While perhaps some could say it is an over correction, and I would absolutely engage in that debate, use of the word "woke" always precedes a buzzword bingo type rant with absolutely no basis in fact and a list of perceived grievances (see a few posts back for an example).

    It is the new "political correctness gone mad", and I'm old enough to remember hearing that from an older person complain that there are women in the army, or that you can't call black people the n word anymore.

    In American political talk, it is now the perceived enemy of the conservative base, dressed up but still thinly veiled xenophobia, sexism, homophobia or racism. They mock the idea that society needs to evolve, and use it as a handy boogeyman in order to avoid discussion on actual policy of things that actually matter, such as education, health, infrastructure etc.

    Trump can't give you a health plan, but he can attack the **** out of transgender people.

    And let's not forget fascist Musk, banging on about a "woke mind virus", being so much of an ******* his own kids want nothing to do with him.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,603 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,326 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    It's easy to break stuff and destroy, and it has its attractions. "It was a pleasure to burn".

    It's really hard to repair afterwards and to improve, as I think the Yanks will find out (post Trump mk2).



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,603 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    He's "getting stuff done" but you couldn't give a single example.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 202 ✭✭Admldj


    In his trade war with the EU which will obviously garner retaliatory tariffs on US imports coupled with his anti-NATO rhetoric, and threat from Russia, surely the time has come to ditch American arms and promote the buildup of the European military industrial complex? NATO articles require a 2% GDP spend, they don't stipulate that spend should be to USA.

    Every euro spent in a European country on European made arms, sends a portion back to the countries in taxes (income taxes for the workers, VAT on materials, corporation taxes on defense contractor profits etc.) so effectively purchased at a discount and building an industry we unfortunately may rely on in the not to distant future.

    I wonder how long his trade war lasts when all of his lobby groups start losing sales outside of the US?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 788 ✭✭✭reclose


    That alone should be enough for the public to get rid of him.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,603 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    That would be seen as a challenge and an escalation. It's something that's bad for all concerned but Trump is incapable of comprehending something without the zero sum fallacy. Buying from US companies gives NATO countries leverage and they'd lose by switching. Obviously, if tariffs come in then the lever can be pulled but do UK and EU firms have the capacity to meet the shortfall? It would take time but it leaves everyone worse off as they scale up.

    I do see your point. The French have been agitating for more "strategic autonomy" for years. It'll be a costly switch but NATO countries will probably have to spend more than 2% GDP if they opt for this given the state of European armies. We rely on America for a reason.

    To answer your question, once the US corporations begin to lose money, expect a rapid U-turn from Trump. Very rapid.

    Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power.
    ― Benito Mussolini

    Anyone interested in trade might enjoy this. It is quite short and the author has done a superb job of creating a largely jargon-free primer.

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    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,472 ✭✭✭Lewis_Benson


    Seems to be only Audi and Porsche, and some Mercedes, bmw and vw have plants in the states where they build the American variants, which isbstraneg with Audi being a VAG brand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,196 ✭✭✭amandstu


    If there is a trade war will one side "lose best"?

    What will be the consequences for the losing side?

    I have the inklings of America being flushed down the lav as a country of consequence or self respect in the coming decades but of course the future is as dark to me as a cup of coffee.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭forumdedum




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭combat14


    not surprised 75% canadian exports go through US they are heavily exposed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,388 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    The BMW plant in Spartanburg South Carolina is the largest car exporter in the US (about 200,000 vehicles a year)

    It's main export markets are: Germany, China and Canada. Which combined account for 36.5% of it's exports. So with retaliation tariffs the largest vehicle exporter in the US could loose over 1/3 of its exports.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,220 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    If America engaged in a trade war with China, or Canada, or Mexico or the EU, they'd have a good chance of winning and forcing the other side to back down.

    But unilaterally starting a trade war with the entire rest of the world at the same time is economic suicide

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,280 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    David McWilliams predicted way back in early November that Trump would bankrupt the US within the four years of his presidency:

    "Can Trumponomics work? Partly yes. Ultimately no. In the end, the financial markets, now celebrating his victory, will push Trumpism towards bankruptcy. Trumpism doesn’t do debt management, and it is clear that this trajectory will lead to a massive debt crisis in the US, not this year or next but within the term of his administration. Ultimately, the financial markets, so effusive today celebrating the victory of Trump, will push Trumpism towards bankruptcy."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,472 ✭✭✭Lewis_Benson


    Thanks for that info, I wasn't aware of that.

    dumpy trump is really f. ucking everyone he can, no lube used.

    Mod Edit: Warned for ignoring mod instruction

    Post edited by Necro on


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