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Donald Trump the Megathread part II

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,054 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Its not a case of whether they close the Dublin office Frank.

    Its a case of whether they continue to divert "revenues" through the Dublin office, especially with Trump and Zuckerburg now best of buddies.

    The answer to that is unknown.

    Or do you actually believe that less than 3% of the Meta workforce is responsible for 54.5% of the company revenue ???

    If you do Ive a couple of magic beans…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,731 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Oh no, wont someone think of the isis terrorists. Anyway, this is a joint operation that has been ongoing since 2007. It's not a new thing

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_military_intervention_in_Somalia_%282007%E2%80%93present%29



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,397 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Obviously, the decision by Zuck et al to cosy up to Trump has to be part of a charm offensive with the aim of dissuading Trump from signing off on harsh policies towards their respective business empires. And Trump isn't exactly known for his great resistance to being plámásed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,451 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Trump officially fires the starting gun on a global trade war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,397 ✭✭✭✭briany


    If I understand this correctly, this amounts to a tax on US citizens who will just end up paying a higher price on the goods coming in from these countries unless there a domestic industry in the US who can supplant the supply at a lower cost.

    The US treasury might increase, but it'll be the people paying into it. Even if Trump were to replace income tax with this system would it save ordinary citizens any money, net?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,545 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    What % of the Google and Microsoft workforce in Ireland are non-Irish? (though I think you mean non-EU here given free movement).

    For extra points, where do the IP rights for these MNC usually reside? and why are these companies hiring thousands of employees in Ireland? (where most growth has been on the engineering side of the companies)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,490 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Clearly Meta aren’t relying on the workforce for that amount of revenue. They do it for a reason, and as a publicly traded company, they do it to maximise profits for their investors and board.

    You said you know all what you’re talking about, so tell us then what you think will happen, or do you just want to stick with scaremongering a bit? Trump has no say over the business of Meta, and even Zuck can’t make changes en mass like that due to having a board to answer to. Imagine him telling them “let’s do something about Dublin and the profits we make, Trump isn’t happy that we are making so much money so let’s make changes”. Pretty sure that’s called bad business in any language.

    It’ll continue as long as it benefits them, not because Trump tells him to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,490 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    And to make it easy, it will take America a long long time to set up the infrastructure to do that…could be decades.

    There is a reason they get lumber from Canada, Canada has the wood mills to process it at the level the yanks need.

    I also see he walked back on the 25% threat on Canadian oil to 10%, this again will only affect the Americans more and more.

    This is literally kneecapping your own economy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,397 ✭✭✭✭briany


    It's also worth noting that with the amount of unilateral actions Trump is taking, or attempting to take, in addition to the purging of the US federal government, he has been a dictator for more than one day. Almost 12, in fact, at time of writing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,451 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Canadian government has a big decision to make.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,368 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    The social media posts from magats saying they regret their vote already are highly amusing. It's going to be a long 4 years for them 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,490 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Canada is pretty ready for all of this, once Trump mentioned it last year they started making contingency plans.

    America needs to tread carefully, they rely on Canadian oil a lot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,451 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Canada's economy will be crushed. These are not equals we are talking about. The tariffs announced are expected to put the country in to recession and cost between 500,000 and 1 million jobs in the medium term.

    My view is they should not retaliate to avoid more damage but rather see if they can come to some arrangement on Trump's complaints.

    Trudeau to speak shortly

    https://www.youtube.com/live/92rutFiIWAM?si=ni2js3IbfAj2u6VI



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


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    Yeah, this beta-guy has been prepping Canada through contingency plans since last year. ROFL. Justin flew down to Florida on a begging bowl mission before Christmas. Trump offered him the chance to become the 51st State in return. Tells you all you need to know.

    Mod Edit: Warned for trolling

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,295 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    "Beta guy", well it's good to see the Andrew Tate school of political analyses are alive and well on the site....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    I was being kind, was going to type beta-boy until I slammed the delete key out of courtesy.

    As for Tate, nah - would rather JP's take on things myself. Tate, for all his ills, ain't wide of the mark either though.

    I think most of the Western world has had enough of weak leaders limping through failure and carnage episodes on repeat at this stage now, don't you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,145 ✭✭✭threeball


    And we should accommodate them. Canada should cosy up to the EU, send their wood and oil over here. Europe will provide cars and tech. Maybe we cut a deal with Mexico too and America can make and buy all their own stuff just like the self appointed demigod wants.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,397 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I like sound of that, but would an EU deal be worth enough to Canada that they wouldn't feel pressured to supplicate to Trump?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,397 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Trump is only strong when he's tweeting on his phone. Has he ever been in a fight?

    If he has, it's not been for a looooong time. He didn't want to get off his plane in California when he realised Gavin Newsome had arrived unnaounced, and when he did finally face Newsome, he couldn't say to his face what he's happy to say at a distance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,490 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Again, you seem to be wishing for doom on a country through Trumps actions. You think Canada shouldn’t retaliate, really? Just roll over to Trump, pathetic to even suggest that. Thankfully, Canada won’t be doing that and has their own agenda to protect its own economy from the orange clown. Remember, it’s all on Trump, him saying drugs like fentanyl are the cause for this is just not true. A minimal amount of it crosses into America from Canada.

    I live in Canada, yes the country will suffer but it won’t be crushed like you say. Plenty will suffer, but that’s not the intent of the tariffs, or is it?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,952 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    They should cut off oil supply. Trump’s useful idiots wouldn’t be long turning on him if they’re freezing their balls off or paying an extra 50c per gallon at the pumps



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,952 ✭✭✭✭fullstop




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,397 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Wouldn't count on it. They swallow every lie Trump tells. He'd just say it was leftists' fault and they'd be satisfied.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    I'd be shocked to learn you don't believe in evolution, considering that.

    Mod Edit: Warned for trolling



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,490 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    The premier of BC, David Eby, has ordered al BC liquor stores to remove American liquor from red states, so whisky and bourbon. He has also issued government and Crown agencies to cease buying American products and instead buy more Canadian products.

    His quote is poetry: “We won’t back down or be bullied into becoming another state,” said Premier Eby. “Our province is unified and resolute. We'll never stop standing up for B.C. and Canada.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,490 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


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    Nova Scotia follows suit as well.

    Canada is well untied for this, with the expectation of the traitor in Alberta who is a bootlicker to Trump.

    This is how to stand up to bullies, not rollover and play possum like @Kermit.de.frog suggested.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,451 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    What is Canada going to do when Trump ups the tariffs with his retaliation clause to 50% or 75%?

    Claiming Canadian business can survive that kind of tit for tat is patently ridiculous and will lead to a massive recession and huge job losses.

    Canada's only logical choice is to be the adult in the room. Yes it means taking it on the chin but that's ultimately in Canada's interests here.

    Chest beating is not a good policy option in a predicament they can't win.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,490 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Just look at the subservient take, you’d literally roll over for Trump.

    What can Canada do if he ups the tariffs? Cut of the oil, the US gets 60% of its oil from Canada. Try that on for size.

    Your logical choice is or for a slave. Canada knows full well that rolling over to a bully won’t stop them, it’ll empower them. There is a lot more at steak than tariffs, and Canadians are fiercely patriotic as well. There is resounding support for retaliatory tariffs.

    There is no doubt it’ll impact Canada, no one is denying that. There are talks of similar initiatives like there was during Covid.

    This could easily be avoided by Trump stopping the tariffs, not Canada buckling to his antics. I’m very happy to see that Canada and the provinces are standing up to this.

    Chest beating is only happening in Murica right now, Canada is standing up for itself, as it should.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,155 ✭✭✭greenfield21


    People seem to be forgetting the obvious here, global trade only works because of the United States running a huge deficit. They should all be thankful for America funding them while it drowns in debt. They are stuck with the US and it is essential for other countries to run huge surpluses.These countries fighting back will just make their situation way worse. There is no replacement for the United States and they know it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,490 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    And is there a feasible solution to this trade deficit? Americans are the lead in consumerism, no one is making them buy the sheer volume of cars and electronics that they are.

    Would love to see what you think the solution is, because tariffs won’t fix it.



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