Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Gaza has been flattened. 50k civilians killed, millions displaced, hundreds of thousands missing, probably dead. All functioning hospitals blown up, most schools. Farm land intentionally scorched.

There are countless videos online of people posting from hospitals/ schools/ houses etc begging, in sheer terror, for help - they can hear bombs, gunfire, or soldiers coming and later it emerges those buildings had been blown up / people inside killed. These are all over the place online, for your own sake id advise you not to try to find them, but I'm sure for some of the hard hearted radicalised types on here, the screams of these people would not move you.

The evidence for these bombings and mass killing of civilians are everywhere.

Israel didn't need to make a camp like Auchwitz for this slaughter, it already had the people hemmed in. There are plenty of pictures and videos online of malnourished people, but you slap each others arses and make jokes about a few who don't fit the bill, ignoring the masses of evidence all around, the most prominent one being Gaza doesn't exist anymore.

Even in a world where Israeli organizations are calling us and our president anti semetic, - whilst they and their NGOs are backing the worlds richest man (who is openly promoting a full blown return to fascism) seig heiling to guffaws at a US presidential inauguration - the world is truly on its head when Blanche proclaims him/herself an Irish patriot.

Blanche, it is very evident from your posts that you put warped narratives first, logic and Ireland be damned.

The dishonest part if trying to categorise what is/was going on in Palestine as a "war". It isn't and it never was. It's one vastly more powerful and resourced group seizing an opportunity to sate blood lust against vulnerable men, women, and kids; with the side benefit of keeping an eye on the potentially valuable real estate they have that could be stolen. The victims are simply sitting ducks with no ability to protect themselves. And there is effectively no risk to the murderers as they simply type in coordinates to missiles from afar (or just fire dumb munitions randomly where innocent and helpless people are trying to find shelter). When you oppress and terrorise another population for decades, you can't be whinging and claiming victimhood when some minor form of resistance against your murdering and thievery starts to emerge.

If you want to lap up and parrot the hasbara, then all we'd ask if for you to be consistent. Explain to us how Russia had been fighting a war for it's existence against Ukraine since 2014 and earlier and how that fully justified the flattening of Ukrainian maternity hospitals and theatres full of kids.

The BBC are skirting around the issue of Israel detaining thousands of Palestinians… ' I have to tell you that Israel is disputing that…' Really? ffs, do your job!

You're doing it too. the jews are special. And I'll pass over the slur where you say I downplay the holocaust.

It's well known that the Roma/Sinti (Gypsies) were equally singled out for extermination, yet you don't give them a single mention.

Do you have a problem with me mentioning that the USSR within its 1939 boundaries lost many many million inhabitants? Is it a problem to you that that number was several times the magnitude of the number of jews who were killed? Do you object to me mentioning the starvation tactics used against Leningrad - similar to what Israel applied to Gaza?
Further, you might check the 1959 census numbers below. If you do, you will see the huge imbalance between numbers of men and women in the USSR at that time, due to soldier's deaths during the war.

 RSFSR  117534315(total)    52424767(men)  65109548(women)

And no, none of this is holocaust denial, except in the minds of those who believe in jewish exceptionalism; the same people who throw about the phrase anti-semitic with gay abandon and apply it to any subject they want to shut down debate about, and to any person they want to make an un-person of.

What an obnoxious person that BBC interviewer is, parroting the Israeli terminology and the hasbara line.
She actually approves of Israel locking up Palestinians without trial, "because Israel feels threatened".

On the question of 400 Palestinian children being incarcerated in Israeli prisons, she asks "what are the Palestinian authorities doing to get them out", as though Israel has no responsibility in the matter.

There have been Palestinian prisoners raped to death, tortured, branded with a star of David seared into their flesh, deprived if food and water, hooded, beaten

First of all, it most certainly is a "war" in the sense that Israel was always going to decide to go all-out after Hamas after the 7/Oct/2023 attacks. Same was true with Hezbollah who began attacking Israel the following day.

And despite the supposedly genocidal bloodlust you claim Israelis have, they've somehow managed not even to kill as many people (combatants included) as the US did during Operating Meetinghouse, which in turn was not considered genocide.

Either the definition of "genocide" is being stretched to the absolute limits so that it can be used as a stick to beat the Jews with, or Israel really, really sucks at it. As in, it is the most pathetic excuse for bloodlust fuelled "genocide" in history.

I really have no idea where the references to Russia come into this. Russia is the world's largest country many times over, it just happens to be lead by a madman bent on rebuilding the Russian Empire. Israel on the other hand is a tiny country in a geopolitical environment that is beyond horrifying, and acts accordingly.

Whereas Russia's war on Ukraine is very much a war of choice by the Russian people and their vile leader, none of whom were ever threatened by Ukraine even in theory, Israel doesn't have any real choice on how to deal with Hamas, Hezbollah and their proxy-masters in Tehran.

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I suppose the closest analogy for this "war" would be the "war" between the Nazis and the Jewish which was fought in Auschwitz and similar camps.

I'm happy to be consistent and say both were part of a genocide. I expect you to be consistent and to opine that both were just wars.

Well the population of Germany was 65m in 1933. The year the first concentration camps opened (and before the Anschluss and "expansion"). 6m over 12 years is 500k a year. 7.7m non-Arabs in Israel (the population subject to conscription). So we'll need to pro-rate those 500k by 65/7.7 to get us to 59k per year for the zionists to be killing at the same rate today. I think we are looking at round-off error in a properly scaled comparision.

And to your point, which backfires somewhat as it is actually completely incorrect and mainly serves to highlight your ignorance on the matter, one of the main reasons that bodies like the UN were set up after WWII was that there were no international "rules" covering many of the atrocities which were done. In particular there was no international rules pertaining to what a country could do to its own people. Which caused issues in law for the prosecution of people for war crimes. Strictly speaking, people were charged and convicted of retrospective acts committed, but which were technically not criminal at the time they committed those acts. Individuals did not enjoy any direct rights under international law. That is why various fundamental humans rights declarations were created subsequent to that conflict.

Either numbers killed are a determining factor or they aren't. The rate of murder per German citizen over the life of the death camps is comparable to the rate of murder per zionist over the past 16 months. Just be consistent and stop dancing on the head of a pin

Would it be possible for you to give us a necessary list of factors rather than making them up as you go? In reality though, for you, it just boils down to who did it, not what was done. Now it's not a genocide if you march the victims to a camp a la the nakba, but it is if you bring them on a train. The Turks will be happy with you because idiots accuse them of commiting genocide against Armenians but they only sent them on death marches and didn't bring them on trains.

If I had to summarise this post, I would paraphrase it as follows:

"It's the Jews, they are out to get us".

I have never seen a post so dripping with paranoid hatred directed at one group of people.

And if you had been in Berlin or Tokyo during the early 1940s, you might have seen something similar.

But it's only "genocide" when da Joos do it?

Have you not been reading this thread, or many of its active posters on other threads involving anyone a bit "immigranty" or "muslimy"?

Nobody is fooled by vain attempts at dressing up Islamophobia and hatred for brown people as some kind of principled support for their killers.