Irish Property Market chat II - *read mod note post #1 before posting*

yeah, this is the issue I have with it! That level of tax, over that pittance! For a country with no defence expenditure or capability. Appalling infrastructure… A relatively young population i.e we arent currently paying out anywhere near as much for OAPS as other countries. So back to what I have often asked. Where the hell is this money going? For a country that twice in recent memory, has had more money than it knows what to do with, its a total scandal.

Totally agree with the above. They are all wasters. If a competent party formed, they'd put a serious dent in the FFG shambles…

It shows you how much support they have lost, that between the 2 biggest parties, that used to have a total stranglehold, they can now no longer even form a government, without additional support

I agree with a lot of what you say… The reality is, most of them, will be financially screwed, that is what is awaiting them. Unless they get social housing or have a high income, hundred thousand plus if in Dublin and really, will be a lot more financially secure with a partner

Yes it's unbelievable, it's another dwelling on your land... as permitted in the US and Canada... I think nz and Australia too. They wouldn't like it here. It would use existing land and services. Not a good way of making money off the poor ..

Total privacy, you're out in nature... people are hrowing up garden rooms like crazy... but what would they know... as an FYI lads, incredibly, they are built from the same materials, as your house...

Yes, thats my plan... generate sales here.. . Do you know how many companies construct garden rooms here? Its a lot...

I'm selling the idea to people , if its an option, to not get fcucked...

I believe what the poster is talking about and correct me if I'm wrong but he's talking about young adults who are still living at home purchasing them and establishing them in the parents back garden as it would give all more privacy to live. The parents have their house fully to themselves (assuming this one young adult was the only other person living in the house) and the young adult isn't paying 1k a month rent in Dublin.

There are a number of issues with this idea though, firstly it's illegal as requires planning to live in one, so you spend thousands building it and one neighbour reports it and you're back to square one.

Another is the expectation of the parents to just give up 25sqm of their garden, a lot of gardens is Dublin these days aren't very large and people value them greatly.

Thirdly as alluded to earlier what if the parents have two young adults living in the house, is it a pick the favourite to allow have a garden room and screw the other young adult or do you build them a garden room each? Then have no garden now and I'd wager you'd get a neighbour putting in a complaint as their neighbour is setting up a shanty town in the back garden.

In theory it's part of a solution but practically it has so many flaws.

I have a friend whose parents did just this. There was an existing large shed in the garden, and they renovated it into a self-contained studio apartment. It's really nice, with its own bathroom, kitchen, laundry facilities, etc.. As it was already there, I believe that no planning was needed.

However, whilst this is preferable to living with parents, this is not really a solution to the problem of people living with their parents well into their 30s (or, increasingly, their 40s). You won't be able to get married and have a family if you live in a glorified shed.

Planning would be needed if someone is living there now and previously it was just a shed. As it was already there you're a lot less likely to get complaints than creating a new structure which could be seen as an eye sore by neighbours or block some light etc.

I completely agree that it could be lovely and comfortable but as you said it's not a solution. You're moving from your childhood bedroom to your parents shed, not exactly a great upgrade.

You only need planning if its over 25 square meters, it must be at the back of your house and you must have a certain % of garden left after the dwelling is built and for anyone looking at doing this I would get advice the builder you choose will normally steer you right. Also you are right if 7 years goes by you can apply for a kind of retrofit planning and no one can force the owner to knock it down.

Yeah. But they can never force you to knock the 25 sq metre structure... at worst, you get reported and remove the small kitchen or bathroom and that is a worst case scenario...

You do need to have 25 sq m left over for garden I believe...

Yeah for a "dwelling " you do need planning, but guess what. My mates just did what those in power here, do as they please, suit yourself... their all sitting pretty, no complaints and like I said, there's nothing they can do if there us a complaint. Remove the w.c or kitchen and use it in main dwelling. That's a worst case scenario...

The human brain should be studied to see if it undergoes some type of metamorphosis after it's owner has purchased a property.

https://www.independent.ie/business/charities-now-buying-more-homes-than-cuckoo-funds-as-state-funded-housing-bodies-bought-close-to-1bn-in-property-last-year/a53396402.html
This is nothing other than a property market bailout indirectly from the State. Precious tax being funnelled into landowners and property owners. Meanwhile, childcare costs €1000+ for creche each month, average rents for workers cost €1500+ per month. Sad state of affairs.

I wouldnt say its a bailout. The govt are paying market rates for properties on the private market because the govt wont build their own social housing

I think you might be overestimating demand for apartments

I suspect there would be close to 0 demand for apartments from the home buying public that are priced above houses

If investment funds that pay 0 tax on them are shying away with record rent prices, it tells you all you need to know

No you don't if its to the back of your house and you meet the criteria of having enough space left in the garden I cant remember the exact amount and there is an exit in case of emergency and its not over 25 sq meters, I think it also has to conform to the buildings around it but you can build a dwelling you can say its a garage/gym/office room etc but what you use it for after it is built is your own choice they are not coming out to check on it. I know this as we did it and our neighbours challenged but we made sure we had in writing from our builder before he built it so if he had to knock it back down over an objection that he would refund the money