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Weird Flex of having a Fireplace

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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    YYou're Now admitting to not understanding the words you're using!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,959 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Just when you thought it peaked, the thread gets weirder.

    What pronoun does your stove use?

    Messy Bitch Obviously!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Well nobody has proved me a snob yet and if one person thinks I am not I am not according to you. 😀

    I have not seen you use any class yet so why would I care what you think class is? It is after all a subjective noun. I am sure you have issues with language so who know what you think class is.😙



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,104 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    That's entirely correct, I can believe that you are a snob and others may think that you're not, it's subjective.

    I haven't insulted or used derogatory language to you or others on this thread. Your use of kissy faces is and words like "buttercup" when addressing someone you don't know is odd to say the least for a grown man.

    Anyway I'm done with the hassle of engaging with you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,744 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Judging people from the condition of their houses. You said it
    Judging people from photos of their home.

    Judging my 'standards' without knowing a hoot about me.

    Away up the yard lad, and clean you boots before you come back in!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    They are your claims I am snob!

    Never judged somebody because of their house. I judged the property on whether it was well maintained and upgraded. Saying somebody doesn't have the means to upgrade is not a judgment, you can argue I don't know but I did in the examples I gave.

    Never judged a person because of the photos, I judged whether is was clean and not messy having a stove. The photos proved it was as I thought.

    Never judge you personally, said we have different standards. If I did say "higher" standards I have already apologized and said I misspoke which I agree was a petty jab if I did

    I already explained these things and pointed out you stood in judgement over a person being unemployed for 30 year and a person that is an alcoholic.

    See this is where you show lack of comprehension. You certainly should not say somebody has mental health issues as you said to me being neurotic. If you are so bothered about my views being inappropriate you should try and at least hold yourself to the same standard.

    Now can you be civil as I have been to you here and now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,263 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Another roaring wood fire in my trusty 33 year old Eirn stove

    O sorry @Ray Palmer I did not see the ash on the front plate below the as door.

    There sorted. It took me as long to upload this photo as it did to clean it.

    All my own wood. Eowyn knocked a couple of years firing for me. A lot of Ash with dieback as well.

    My trusty Eirn stove is virtually maintenance free. Give it a shine up a couple times a year. It is real therapy, it like polishing the car ( something I never do) but I do polish my trust stove. After 30 years, no electrical fault on it, will your heat pump last as long without maintenance.

    How long before it need a gas recharge or the fans go on it. Will you have to replace it twice in 30 years, I expect so. Will it cost 1500 in today's money terms to replace. And that is just one part of the system. Wait until.the seals on your windows start to deteriorate 10-15 years after they were put in. You heating bills will increase. I just cut a bit more wood.

    On hassle if consider it hassle to clean up a bit of ash or clean offa bit of dust you lead an extraordinary life. Hassle is all part of life. If you cannot cope with hassle you will struggle to cope with life

    From my cold dead hand you take my trusty Eirn stove

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,744 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    They are your claims I am snob!

    And I need only satisfy myself that it is true. I wasn't trying to convince you. you have a fairly evident lack of self awareness TBH as many have pointed out.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Having dogs is way more work then having a stove.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    You may want to look back because you called me a snob which is an insult. Making a point of calling my manhood or maturity into question is both insulting and derogatory. 😚



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    You call me a giraffe because I have some neck on me.😉

    However just because you claim something and make up stuff that isn’t true as a response for examples, satisfying one’s self is actually what you are doing😇

    Now I am not really sure you comprehend what I am calling you there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,744 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You've got nine pages out of an OP where you really have no point to make other than 'some' people are laughing at me heating system. You admit you only have experience of a broken therefore inefficient system and have spent your time looking down your nose and battling to make any coherent points.

    Now you are claiming I made up stuff. I haven't, you judge people by the facade of their property, you judged my standards and you most definitely judge people as having dirty homes (Because you believe fires are 'dirty') when everyone daily creates 'dirt' by their activity and their pets activity. If you didn't clean after your dogs, using the loo, cooking, etc you'd live in a 'dirty' house too. 'Dirt' in a house is a fact of life unless of course you believe your farts smell of roses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,366 ✭✭✭jj880


    You've got nine pages out of an OP where you really have no point to make other than 'some' people are laughing at me heating system

    Id like to point out once again this didn't even happen to begin with. Theres no evidence for it.

    Is there a mod about? Must time to pack er up. Its not getting any better than the pic of dogs wearing cleaning gloves 😂

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    If somebody explains to you why something isn’t as you claim you can explain back why you disagree. Repeat yourself faster all you want



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    More self satisfaction?

    Are you two trying to me me feel dirty?

    Guys come on some of my responses have been good and I acknowledge others at my expense



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,744 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I did explain, you are in denial again.
    Away now and cut some of that dawgs dingleberrys off before you get the bubonic plague or galloping knobs disease. 😁

    Good luck, thread is boring now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,163 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    the reference to flex reminds me of Tony Holland who used to ‘flex”’his muscles to music on Opportunity Knocks.

    Do do do do do do do do do do…..

    If you know, you know



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,137 ✭✭✭Deeec


    I dont know if anyone was listening to morning Ireland this morning just before 9am. There was a lady on who lives in an all electric A rated home. She said its hit home how vulnerable they are relying on electricity. She also said when the power does come back it will take another 3/4 days for the heat to build back up in her home as underfloor heating is slow to warm up with heat pumps. She was saying maybe trying to do the right thing by going fully for greener options home wise maybe wasnt a great idea. I thought she was pretty honest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,366 ✭✭✭jj880


    A week on there are faults everywhere in my area (North Donegal). ESB Networks Director on rte radio yesterday saying its going to be at least the end of next week (he thinks) before they get to the majority of those without power. As is evident in this thread there are those who think people with stoves / fireplaces are needling those without. Its not the case. People are looking into stoves now and I dont blame them. I posted mine just as an example with a separate ash door / tray. Ive nothing against heat pumps etc but when I see family members basically put out of their houses now for a week and counting because they went electric its making people think. The rest of the ESB Director interview didnt inspire confidence for the future either regarding modernising the network and sorting out trees etc. Im not sure what people expect the reaction to be to this sh!t show going on at the moment. Its not the ESB crews fault. Its p!ss poor planning by those in charge.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    That is odd. Heat pumps are separate from underfloor heating. Now there are other systems where people misuse the term heat pump where they are using ground temperature that can be used to offset and sometimes completely heat the house. If there is a possibility of long power outages you would be foolish not to have some form of backup. As I posted originally a gas canister fire is a good back up and cheap. A personal generator is a better option but if you have solar panels and a generator you have an even better back-up.

    To not have gotten a gas fire at this point is very odd of her



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,137 ✭✭✭Deeec


    Wha - heat pumps are what is used to heat the underfloor heating



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    No they aren't, people mix up the term all the time. Heat pumps are for air not water.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,137 ✭✭✭Deeec


    Well basically what she was saying was that whatever system she has it will take 3/4 days to build up the heat in the house again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,366 ✭✭✭jj880


    Did she say how long it took the heat to leave her house? Longer than a lower rated house but Id say not 3 or 4 days anyway.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,137 ✭✭✭Deeec


    No she didnt say that but yes I would she was warmer for longer in her house than an older house.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Lots of people drive cars but don't understand how they work. Same applies to heating systems. Either you or her misunderstood the system. It will not take 3/4 days to heat the house, it will take that long for the system to be at optimal performance which is very different. I have a very well insulated house and once you start the heating it may take a few hours to heat the house, the next day it takes less time and after 3/4 days the heating only needs to be on for about an hour.

    If it is A rated and they had an independent heat source on the property would be warm.

    This is a prime example of how misinformation is spread as you were sure a heat pump is needed for underfloor heat when it is an additional separate system to increase efficency



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,959 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Redundancy now seems to have taken off in the UK especially in areas prone to black outs.

    Whilst expensive, solar with high capacity battery storage has increased in popularity normally used in conjunction with an EV, but have the ability to kick in and power pre determined circuits in the event of grid failure.

    Also high capacity portable battery storage have come down in price, might be worth an investment in one of them if the force and frequency of storms are to only get worse.

    You wouldn't be hanging the kettle and cooker off them, but they happily run a TV and Modem and low wattage lights.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,950 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    She could be right about the time it takes to bring the house up to full temperature. A heat pump will extract warmth from outside air which it will feed to a heat-exchange unit. A heat exchange unit can be designed to heat air or to heat water.
    Thus we have air to air and air to water systems. Air to water is of course used for underfloor heating.

    The limitation of such systems fitted to homes is that they do not do large volume conversion, thus it can take considerable time to heat up a new house or as she said to re-heat her home.

    If she was using an (as example) oil burner, her home would be heated in a matter of hours, as the temperatures achieved in the primary source water is typically 60°C. In both cases the temp of the underfloor water would be about 35°C, but using the oil burner as source, the water flow can be much higher, as there is much more heat available in the water source from the boiler, and thus the transfer of heat to the floor would be much more efficient in time.

    In addition, because of design limitations of these systems the floor screed in which the pipes are buried is designed to absorb heat quickly, with the downside that they also lose heat quickly. Essentially the floor is a large radiator running at something close to 35°C.

    If she had an oil burner system designed from first day, she could have a floor screed of several inches thick concrete. This would be more akin to a large storage heater, designed to give off heat over a longer period. It would be heated to the same temperature but because of its thermal mass it would keep the house comfortable for much longer.

    The oil burner solution would of course also lend itself to being powered by a small generator, which would keep the home up to full temperature as before electricity loss. The current draw to power the oil system would be a little over 1Amp, thus even while powered there would be plenty electrical power available for other uses. Most likely an hour a day would be sufficient to keep the house warm.

    So yes, lots of systems have an upside, and they also have downsides. We should each choose what suits us best in the full knowledge of what limitations each system impose on us.

    The above is my opinion …. investigate and come to your own conclusion. 😉

    Post edited by Johnboy1951 on


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