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Connacht Team Talk Thread VI - Some like it TOH

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  • Posts: 146 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The big long-term concern I have is our coaching instability. I've listed our coaching tickets for what I think of as the "Wilkins era" with some notes. Some of the notes are not confirmed facts so make your own mind up.

    The key thing for me is that we keep bundling together inexperienced or new coaches with an inexperienced head coach then find that he ends up taking on technical coaching work to fix problems mid-season. There are two - possibly three by next season - appointments that just haven't worked out in the list as a result. All teams will have these issues but Connacht seem to have them more often and seem to have been in a constant rebuild of the game plan, coaching team, or both throughout this period. We're potentially changing three of five again this Summer.

    21/22:

    • Friend (Head)
    • Wilkins (Senior)
    • Tucker (Defence & Forwards Technical Skills)
    • Lawler (Assistant Attack & Skills)
    • Senekal (Forwards)

    The last season where Friend was officially Head Coach.

    My understanding is that Wilkins took over responsibility for the defense mid season.

    22/23:

    • Friend (Director of Rugby)
    • Wilkins (Head)
    • Tucker (Scrum & Contact)
    • Lawler (Attack & Skills)
    • Senekal (Lineout & Maul)

    Connacht said that Wilkins position reflected his responsibilities with Friend transitioning out at the end of the season.

    My understanding is that Wilkins took over responsibility for the attack mid season.

    23/24:

    • Wilkins (Head)
    • Tucker (Scrum & Contact)
    • Muldoon (Lineout & Maul)
    • Sexton (Assistant Attack)
    • Fardy (Defense)

    My understanding is that Wilkins took over responsibility for the defense at some point in this or next season.

    24/25:

    • Wilkins (Head)
    • Tucker (Scrum & Contact)
    • Muldoon (Lineout & Maul)
    • Sexton (Attack)
    • Fardy (Defense)

    Sexton's departure has already been announced. Suggestions that Wilkins may have taken over the attack again as a result.

    My understanding is that Wilkins took over responsibility for the defense at some point in this or last season.

    The rumours of Tucker to Munster haven't been resolved yet.

    Fardy is out of contract and I wouldn't be hugely surprised if he moves on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 962 ✭✭✭CowboyTed


    If they are waiting until the end of the season for a shake up then they are waiting too long…

    We have a half a season there to get things right for next season. That time could be used usefully..

    Learning how to attack, blooding players…

    Have we a management team who will do anything for win, instead of building for the future?

    What should we be doing right now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,321 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    This won't happen for financial reasons, we'd be very limited trying to recruit coaches mid season anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 962 ✭✭✭CowboyTed


    Why do I get the feeling (this is just a feeling, hardly evenan opinion) if Wilkins doesn't coach something it goes to crap.

    He is trying to be a Coach (which I think he can do) and be Manager (which I think he struggles at)…

    So we robbed Peter to pay Paul and seems we got nothing…

    I see Pete as a very good technical coach. He went on the Irish setup and they seemed to think he was as well.. I don't see him as a Manager.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39 2025Connacht


    Id be of the view that if Wilkins DOES coach something it goes to crap. This year his primary focus is defence I believe which tells its own story.

    I'm genuinely lost why people think Wilkins is a good technical coach but that could be just my bias. From memory Edinburgh were poor under him as defence coach and were keen to ditch him and since he's joined us he's jumped from role to role with very little if any discernable improvement and usually I see regression where he's involved.

    I think where Wilkins must be good from what I've seen and heard is as a stats or video guru in the background.

    The best technical coaches I could see with my untrained eye since Friend came in (where it was very obvious they improved what we were doing) were Nigel Carolan and Dewald Senekal.

    Wilkins seems like a good person but ultimately he's out of his depth in terms of being a head coach who is ultimately responsible for the predictable frustrating game plan that we persist with. Everyone has to take a part of the responsibility for each area but ultimately it falls on him. For any half decent teams playing Connacht the recipe to win is pretty straightforward. A strong defensive line and play territory and we'll burn ourselves out going through multiple phases going nowhere and with no kicking option as an alternative.

    In terms of man management and leadership of the organisation as a whole I've rarely seen anyone who is so ill fitting to the role.

    The recruitment and departures at Connacht has at best frustrating with notable exceptions like Ben Murphy and the squad appears to be lopsided to me. He's had more than enough time to shape his own squad and even with a limited budget he's not done well. Lots of players who serve no purpose have been brought in while we have glaring issues in key areas that have persisted for years. Quality players being messed around and no idea of the makeup of his best backline.

    Willie Ruane has dug this hole for himself. The stadium getting done and the success of the trip to Castlebar will allow him to spin the positives but he has made two disastrous appointments as head coach. With Keane we cut our losses early but Wilkins feels more death by a thousand cuts and this will really come to be a problem when his staff are given the task of getting a respectable crowd for run of the mill games in the new stadium. Connacht is a hard sell at the moment even though in theory we've never been more marketable.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,843 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Looking forward to watching our under 20's Eanna McCarthy and Bobby Power tomorrow night and Billy Bohan on the bench as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 962 ✭✭✭CowboyTed


    As crap as we are playing, we are only 5 points behind 8th place and our run in isn't that bad…

    Stormers has one game in hand and Lions has two…

    • Stormers extra is against the Bulls (Home)
    • Lions Two are against Sharks (away) and Bulls (away)

    As bizarre as it is, if we could play rugby, it is there for us…. At the moment, it looks out of reach…

    That is whats really frustrating..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 554 ✭✭✭ShineyShiney


    A lot of coverage this last week about supporting Munster, Ulster and Connacht to bridge the gap to Leinster. Probably just means Munster with the other two tagged on to make it sound like it's for the good of Irish rugby but if it's a genuine aim then I would like to see the IRFU and Connacht go after a known quantity, with a successful track record, with experience of working with Irish players to lead Connacht towards new heights.

    With a squad that has 3 current Irish international starters, another 2 squad members and an NI international winger and some great young talent that is way underperforming.m, surely we will make a decent coach look pretty good.

    Stuart Lancaster looks like he will be available at the end of the season. Pay him what he needs and give him the back room needed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7 Connacht4life


    does a season ticket get you into the Munster game in McHale park?



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  • Posts: 146 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yes. Season ticket holders had an advance option to upgraded to the covered stand but we should all have general admission to the terraces by default. Presumably the branch will clarify the exact details at some stage.



  • Posts: 146 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'd love an experienced head coach with a history of bringing through young talent and building a strong backroom staff. I don't think that person is Lancaster. Whenever he's had broader responsibilities outside of coaching the outcomes have been poor and we don't have anywhere near the money required to put the support system Leinster had in to facilitate him being a pure coach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,342 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey


    Eric D as DOR would be great



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 Cherryson


    Yep and Takim on the decks!

    Who is Eric D, Ben B?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 887 ✭✭✭Zeugnis


    Shayne Bolton called up to the Irish squad together with Tom Ahern.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar


    I have thought about this and completely agree. I was just thinking about the ROG situation and then thinking about Pat Lam at Connacht. Pat Lam left at the right time. ROG has hung on too long. Change is always required



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,342 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,342 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey




  • Posts: 146 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Eric stepped down as head coach largely due to the stress that the role brought. I think that a DoR role would just pile that stress back on. If we opt for a DoR model we'd be better off getting someone in from outside who thrives in that kind of stressful long-term oversight role.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,287 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    What you make of that call up for Bolton?

    He hasnt played since ….30th Nov v Bulls.

    Could anyone offer up what are his strengths and weaknesses?

    My limited knowledge amounts to - he's a fastish and powerful 14.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,321 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    Bolton arrived as primarily a centre, but to my eyes struggled with timing in attack and positioning in defence, and has since found a home on the wing. He is extremely abrasive and hits like a truck on both sides of the ball. He is the closest thing to James Lowe in Irish rugby in terms of power and willingness to come off his wing. However, he lacks Lowe's kicking and offloading ability, and has demonstrated a relatively limited skillset thus far. I would also be slightly concerned about his decision making in defence and fielding at the highest level.

    To summarise, raw but a lot of upside. He has also had horrendous luck with injuries which have not helped him in getting enough gametime to round out his skillset.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 Cherryson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 554 ✭✭✭ShineyShiney


    Exactly what I would have written about Bolton. Abrasive and aggressive in attack and defence. Limited kicking and fielding skills but exuberance and enthusiasm at levels similar to Werner Koch. I would hope to see an appearance in the A game. Nash, Bolton, Osbourne wouldn't be a bad back 3



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 332 ✭✭Strand1970


    Not sure it's fair to compare Pat Lam and ROG. Pat left at Connacht's peak to move to Bristol and become the highest paid manager in the world for the last 7 years coming from the connacht job. That's like winning the lotto in money terms. ROG is managing at a higher level in France with more pressure. Next move I would guess is an international job like maybe Australia



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar


    Nearly true but not exactly true. Lam had done his job at Connacht and he could see that the job was done and the downward spiral was in the offing. Everyone could see the Lam moves a mile off. It was time for a change and he jumped. And it's the same with ROG. He has done his job. Time to move on before his legacy becomes stale, if not already stale



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar


    As for the Bolton selection. Well that one is beyond a mystery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar


    I would say with confidence that if Lancaster is signed as head coach at Connacht it is a death warrant for our province for the next half decade. Yes we need a coach. Yes Wilkins is a patz. I feel sorry for him. It just isn't where he should be and he knows it. But Lancaster is a total d!ck.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,287 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    Thanks.

    I thought it was a bit 'left-field' considering he hasn't played in a few months.

    May I ask the group for another assessment on a player? Sean Jansen.

    I think his only 80min performance for Connacht was v Lyon recently.

    Is he going to be anything more than a 60min or 20min impact player at 8?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,098 ✭✭✭Jump_In_Jack


    Just a guess, but perhaps in training they wanted Bolton to assume a position in the opposition training team similar to Duhan Van der Merwe? Big, fast and powerful. Perfect to simulate the Scottish attack in training perhaps.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 554 ✭✭✭ShineyShiney


    Good player, lots of bosh. Perhaps not so much finesse. Better off the bench than starting imo. Very similar to Munsters young Gleeson. I was a little surprised at his inclusion for the emerging Ireland tour but tbh he's been very consistent albeit as a bosher.

    This may be the role he is being asked to play though.



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