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Forming the next Irish Government - policies and personalities

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,332 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    They could learn from how First Minister Michelle O’Neill and deputy First Minister Emma Little-Pengelly are dealing with this aftermath of storm in NI providing updates etc, actual leadership…

    Interesting take, given the North per captia has more people without power than the South, and we in the South got hit a lot harder…. So it seems we are doing better than the North… but SF want to shout about it here in the South..

    I wonder why?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,048 ✭✭✭Yeah Right


    Hypocrisy and speaking out of both sides of their mouths is par for the course when it comes to the shinners.

    Take a look at their completely opposite stances on SSM in the North and down here, as a prime example. The dictionary definition of populism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,954 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Cutting of trees is indeed the responsibility of the local authority and EI and needs to happen on a countrywide basis and will need to be resourced.
    The idea that the Dáil has no impact on what local authorities and a semi state body do is a bit bizarre tbh.

    If either is reneging on their responsibility then the Dáil needs to know and act on that.

    First they need to ask the questions of the relevant line Minister. Off the top of my head, the relevant Minsters would be James Browne, Minister for Local Government, Daragh O'Brien, Minster for the Environment etc. Jack Chambers, Minister for Public Expenditure, Public Services, Infrastructure etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 573 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    Lowry must have told them they must have a cabinet meeting this week, so all can be reported back to him to see how he feels ahead of the Dail resuming next week



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,413 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    This is probably the case - make the cabinet larger but fill it full of Yes men/women who really don't stray outside the lines or have any ideas for themselves.

    The party leaders as well as the Finance ministers have the final say. It's always been like that. We copied the UK system.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,332 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    The idea that the Dáil has no impact on what local authorities and a semi state body do is a bit bizarre tbh.

    If either is reneging on their responsibility then the Dáil needs to know and act on that.

    Back to this Dail talk again. You do know the Dail is not the Government?

    What legislation could the Dail pass this week, to help the situation…?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,627 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Right listen, lets put this to bed now.

    I work for a State agency with an emergency response brief.

    The only way the Dáil could positively impact the response to a storm, would be if the storm was two years from now, and the funding of emergency response and contingency were to be increased, for example, dry-warehousing high voltage generators.

    Literally anything the Dáil would do this week, including pulling away Ministers and senior civil servants and semi-state managers to appear at committees and write reports for inane parliamentary questions, would only slow things down on the ground.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,048 ✭✭✭Yeah Right


    It's not the ministers that are capped, it's the ministries (i.e. Departments) that are capped. AFAIK, the purpose of the cap is to stop a party from artificially inflating the number of required ministries to provide 'jobs for the boys'. If SF were elected and immediately created a load of wishy-washy Departments so they could then appoint 35 new ministers, there'd be uproar. And rightly so.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Given the crisis of no power and no water, what Ministers and the Gov could do is appeal to other EU states and the EU itself to help us out. The Dail cannot do that.

    Hang on, repair crews are arriving from Austria, UK, and Finland - plus more probably. The EU are sending generators as well.

    How did all these helpers find out that we needed assistance?

    I wonder if it was the Gov who did it - no, it must have been the opposition shouting about speaking time - or was it?

    Will we ever find out?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,954 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The accusations have been made that the govt sat on their hands re: calling in help (a function of government not opposition brw) and the Taoiseach is wrong to say you must wait for the event to happen.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,413 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    The Dail should have been back this week anyway at least to try give an impression of that we have a parliamentary democracy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,935 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Well, first of all, shouldn't local councillors be recalling their local councils first to address the issue of what councillors should be doing, shouldn't they?

    Oh, I forgot, this isn't about accountability, this is about social media profile for SF TDs. Silly me, thinking it was about getting answers from those responsible.

    P.S. Who are EI and what have they got to do with cutting of trees?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,413 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Robert Troy back as a junior minister. 3 added ministeries and one of them goes to him.

    Nauseating looking at their group picture. Colossal waste of money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,954 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Your exceptionalism is off tilt again.

    Labour, SD's SF, Independents etc have all called for a recall of the Dáil. They want to perform their duty as an opposition even if some folk think they are a nuisance or irrelevant.

    As winter is not over and another event could occur we need to know via the government depts (who are ultimately responsible for the functioning of local government and state agencies on a nationwide basis) what can be done now and in the short term to avoid the failures.
    It is only an unreasonable request if you have something to fear from that functioning of the Dáil.

    P.S. Apologies, I should have said ESB Networks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,935 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    What duty as an opposition? Shout and roar at what local councils are not doing? Preen and pose for social media opportunities?

    As I said already, that they are only looking for publicity on the national stage, and are not calling for councils to be recalled, says everything about their motivation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,935 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    More important that the local councils are convened so that we can show that our local democracy is working.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,954 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Has anyone blocked the meeting of councils?

    You plainly know very little about the functioning of the Dáil if you think all that happens is shouting and roaring. Tune into Oireachtas TV sometime, you will see very calm functioning happening far more often than at Taoiseach Questions where all parties perform to their bases.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,818 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    No, it is the number of Ministers that is capped.

    ARTICLE 28

    1 The Government shall consist of not less than seven and not more than fifteen members who shall be appointed by the President in accordance with the provisions of this Constitution.

    I appreciate the point of it, but I don't think it is a healthy way to approach the issue. I also don't think it is healthy to automatically assume that there is some nefarious reason behind every decision that the Government would like to make. Our country is growing fast, and the world is getting more complicated and dangerous. I don't see the benefit of a 100 year old document constraining the ability of the Government to have sufficient delegated authority over areas. It is also an unusually low number of Ministers for a country of our size.

    If a party gets into power and makes a joke of things by appointing 35 Ministers then punish them at the ballot box.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,500 ✭✭✭howiya


    Have they passed the law yet on increasing the limit on ministers of state from 20 to 23?

    I'm guessing that they haven't since the Dail isn't sitting.

    You'd think they could at least wait until the law is passed before appointing the three extras



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,500 ✭✭✭howiya


    Gavan Reilly has answered this on X.

    The Government noted the intention, subject to the necessary amendments being made to the Ministers and Secretaries (Amendment) (No. 2) Act 1977 to nominate the following persons to be appointed as Ministers of State:

     

    Timmy Dooley TD

    Minister of State at the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine with special responsibility for Fisheries and at the Department of the Environment, Climate and Communications with special responsibility for the Marine

     

    Colm Brophy TD

    Minister of State at the Department of Justice with special responsibility for Migration

     

    Marian Harkin TD

    Minister of State at the Department of Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science with special responsibility for Further Education, Apprenticeship, Construction and Climate Skills

    So the legislative priority of the government will be to facilitate jobs for the boys/girls. I don't recall seeing that in an election leaflet or manifesto



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,332 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    If either is reneging on their responsibility then the Dáil needs to know and act on that.

    This is the job of Oireachtas committees, not the Dail.

    Again, you really REALLY do not know how government work in this Irish Republic..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,332 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Has Stormont sat since the storm?

    Have the MLA's been given their time in the sun?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 573 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    Niall Collins junior minister too, in a department with LAW REFORM in his name

    This is the same Niall Collins who is currently under Gardai Investigation for submitting false planning applications



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,954 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Recalling the Dáil means Committees can function too.
    And if you are saying questions have never been asked about Local Government and State Agencies on the floor of the Chamber then I think you are wrong or mis-representing.

    Here is a random Oireachtas TV clip from their FB page of a Minister being asked questions on the running of her Dept. Normal Dáil activity.

    Dáil Éireann - 5 April 2022 | #OireachtasTV - Watch LIVE coverage from the #Dáil as Parliamentary Questions to the Minister for Rural and Community Development are taken - view on... | By Houses of the Oireachtas | Facebook



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,413 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    It's amazing and the titles of the junior ministers are comical.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,413 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Gary Murphy of DCU said today that the amount of super junior ministers is "dodgy".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,954 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    If they were willing to rehabilitate Lowry why not Collins and Troy too?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 747 ✭✭✭moon2


    Your central thesis is the issue here. You're assuming that a job would be given to the best candidate by virtue of aptitude or qualification, therefore if gender quotas actually change the makeup of government then we must be choosing worse candidates.

    There are an ocean of research papers analysing aspects of gender imbalance and they all tilt the same way - men get more and do less. Phrased another way - men prefer hiring men even if they're less qualified than a woman. Men prefer promoting men even if they're less qualified than a female candidate. How could this happen in a pure meritocracy? Well, it can't. We're not in a meritocracy. So, while we remain measurably poor in terms of hiring the most qualified person, when that person happens to be a woman, gender quotas can force the issue and result in better candidates (overall) ending up getting the job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,550 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    so now its not about the previous storm but the next one? Do all the oppositions TDs know that?

    Whitmore wants the army more activated, thinks she can use the Dail to make that happen, thinks live could be lost if the Dail not reconvened?

    “These are all ideas that could have been put forward and discussed if the government had agreed to recall the Dáil this week to outline their planned response to the crisis. Their refusal to do so is unforgiveable.”

    https://www.socialdemocrats.ie/government-must-urgently-identify-and-prioritise-vulnerable-people-most-impacted-by-storm-eowyn/

    I'm lost as to how? Does Jen think the Dail chamber is like some kind of X-mens Cerebro room where people thinks things and they happen?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,413 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Jennifer Whitmore wanted the State to nationalise RIP.ie a few weeks ago.

    She has zero credibility on issue.



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