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Weird Flex of having a Fireplace

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,342 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    No soot comes out whatsoever, it's a clean burning stove with baffles so any soot stays in the flue until you clean it.

    There wouldn't normally be as much ash in the stove as in that pic and in normal use none would come out when the door is opened. Due to not letting the fire go out for an extended period the stove had a high bed of ash in it that hadn't been cleaned out for some time and so a small amount fell out. Trivial to clean up.

    Being a stove, there is no open fire place smell. With the air control closed there is slight gap allowing air to pass and given the incredible draw of this set up, if there is any breeze a very small amount of air is constantly being drawn into the stove and up and out the flue, so no smell comes out of the stove.

    Here's a more typical photo of when circumstances are not so fraught:

    Jotul 2.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,744 ✭✭✭yagan


    Older demographics are the majority. To be out of touch is to not realize that youth culture is only a driving culture if it has a majority.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,342 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I have both. No one is asking you to engage in chores you don't wish to. I would never force a fire or stove on anyone who didn't want one, I strongly believe in free choice. The central heating was inoperable due to the very protracted lack of power and the stove was the difference between misery and comfort.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,342 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    The stove has a lip at the front, and would not normally be operated with so much ash in it so there is usually no danger of logs falling out, but things were not normal, nor would the door ever be opened that far, it was just for the sake of the photo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,341 ✭✭✭IncognitoMan


    Also what about the rest of it?

    Does the turf magically lift itself off the bog each year?
    Does it magically appear in your shed each year?
    Does it walk from your shed into the house and throw itself on the fire each evening?
    Does it clean itself each morning before reusing again that day?
    Does the ash dispose of itself safely?
    Does the shed clean itself out each year to prepare for the next load?

    I reckon that adds up to more than a few min saved
    2 working professionals with 4 kids. I have many better things to be doing with my free time



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 MyUnicornWorld


    Living in a well insulated house with underfloor heating I would hate to go back to rads and fire. House is always a lovely even temperature. Have an electric fire which I only turn on for effect as I don't need the heat function. Also live in Dublin so very rarely affected by outages for long. No power outage during this storm.

    However my parents live in an older rural home and they were very grateful for their stove as they lost electricity for a few days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,964 ✭✭✭fonecrusher1


    Have a very nice and convincing electric fire. Very practical and efficient etc. Its great, very realistic flame effect.

    But … still can't beat the real thing though. 🔥



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 MyUnicornWorld


    Also recently switched from gas to an induction hob I would never go back to gas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,751 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,744 ✭✭✭yagan


    I was a reluctant convert but convection is a lot easier. We have camping stoves for any blackout.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,557 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    I'm the other way around. If youre into cooking at all induction hub is sh1te and gas is the daddy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,105 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Very strange attitudes throughout this monster storm. "Flex" about having a fire, stove, generator etc… My storm affecte inlaws neighbours have dropped around to them twice to boast about their petrol generator. Thankfully I live in a community where people help each other out in times like this. There's a serious bang of "I'm all right Jack" lately.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,305 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    Yep, my parents had a back boiler and I remember one occasion when the power went off; my dad had to put the fire out because the pump wouldn't work!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,138 ✭✭✭Deeec


    Of course an A rated home is the best option - I dont think anyone can argue that. However it is sensible to have an alternative heat source. The stove may not be used on a regular basis but it still makes sense to have it. In addition to power outages, a boiler or heat pump may breakdown and be out of action. Getting someone to repair these isnt easy or usually isnt done quick - so it does make sense to have other options.

    For example I have solar panels to heat water. The oil boiler also heats water and we also have an immersion which is very rarely used. The solar panels work brilliant in summer. We have to use the boiler in winter to heat water but there have been times when the oil went or boiler broke where we had to use the immersion. It makes sense to have different options.

    Also I have been told that insulation deteriorates over time. A builder I know reckons the A rated homes of today wont have the same warm feeling in years to come. He recommends his clients puts in a stove. He also done this in his own house. He doesnt agree with only having one heat source at all.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,528 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,528 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    I remember Stanley used to make one that shape. I guess the benefit is they're long and stick out into the room more so you get more heat radiating from it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,557 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Guess not no 😀

    I take it you're referring to cost and the one thing that really surprised me is I get nearly 6 months of daily cooking out of a small 11kg bottle which is just over €30. Even if induction is cheaper than that its of no significance to me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    You seem to have missed what I said. Wit the door open soot will come out but not when closed, you sent a picture with ash on the floor and the door open. I accept that is not the normal operation you have but it was you chose to share. I then also mentioned soot from an open fire which is a real thing. You are being overly defensive about what I said

    You also didn't roll back your name calling which I think you should



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,379 ✭✭✭✭fits


    do you clean the thing. I absolutely hate cleaning a hob.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,557 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Of course I do and it's very easy to clean, but that may depend on what hob you have. I have a Belling dual fuel (ovens are electric) and it's sweet.

    On the other hand I found with the induction hob if you're not 100% meticulous and fully clean it after every use it will develop a sort of burnt in film of residue that is near impossible to get off. Even with an electric car polisher. And any use of other force will damage the surface so easily.

    I had to do with an induction hob for 5 years and I really learned to hate the thing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,379 ✭✭✭✭fits


    each to their own then. 🤣. You’ll pry my induction hob from my cold dead hands.

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,528 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    no, i'm not referring to the cost. 'no true scotsman' is a reference to a debating trick, which your post seemed to use.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

    'no one serious about cooking would use induction' would allow you to dismiss anyone who claims otherwise.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,528 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    FWIW we've been using an induction hob for 13 years and it's not difficult to clean.

    also, in reference to cost, gas does seem to be the cheapest; induction hobs are about twice as efficient in terms of energy, compared to gas (based on what i've read) - but gas is typically about one third the price of electricity, per unit,so maintains an edge on running costs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,534 ✭✭✭✭Alun


    Same here, ridiculously easy to clean, and stuff doesn't burn onto it even if pots boil over, because the hob itself doesn't get super hot. I suspect that many people who complain about them being difficult to clean, or not as fast or responsive as gas, probably actually have used a plain old ceramic electric hob, not an induction hob.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,377 ✭✭✭jj880


    could he not have run the hot water out of the system for baths / showers and keep the fire on?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 MyUnicornWorld


    Personally wouldn't put a stove in my home ( a rated). Would never use it because it would get too hot in the house. Love my electric fire instead which I turn on daily for the flame effect.

    Good Idea suggested here to have a backup gas heater.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,557 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Ok sorry I didnt mean it that way not consciously anyway. However you will find it difficult to find a commercial kitchen that isnt using gas. And I know a few chefs too. They would all support my statement.

    It's because with gas increasing or decreasing the flame has immediate effect and it's also seamless not just step 1, 2, 3 and also visible feedback as in flame size. Its not impossible to cook well with induction hobs but its a right pain I find.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,751 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    It is obvious there are two schools of thought here.
    Those who are housework shy and want convenience and those who don't see a drudge maintaining an open fire/gas hob because of the benefit they get.
    Personally, I enjoy the whole act of building a fire and all that entails, I also enjoy the whole prep part of the cooking process while my partner prefers convenience, buys pre chopped onions and veg etc. We manage to co-exist, there is no one preference fits all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,557 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    We had an open fireplace for years. Its nice to look at and gives great heat but you will go through a lot of coal and when not lit its a heat sink cos the chimney sucks warm air out of the house permanently. So those nights when you dont light a fire your radiators are in a losing battle.

    Installed a stove since and I find it better. Much more economical, insulated when not lit and its cleaner too.

    My colleague has a heat pump house no chimney and she loves it. She says its the same temp night or day winter or summer and she's nearly after forgetting about it.

    I think my own house is not insulated enough for it and would need more work than just a heat pump install possibly a lot more and the house isnt even all that old not even 30 years.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,528 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    one of my main hobbies is woodturning so i'm always on the scrounge for wood for the lathe. so people know to message me when they see some - i've been sent several leads to chase in the last few days.

    great thing is, i can burn my mistakes.



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