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Room to Improve (v2)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,697 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    They made a big deal about having dual bathrooms to avoid cross contamination, so it appears that the people with CF will be staying in the apartments at some stage, perhaps when accessing day services at the hospitals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,050 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    Still the same these days, I think. I have a friend with a daughter in Crumlin and it's hard to get in even when it's long term. Charities do offer vouchers for alternative accommodation but even with that generosity, it's still very expensive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,393 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    The price of the house isn't really the issue for me, we all know property prices are mental.

    However after having a child that was in and out of hospital (thankfully I live in Dublin with good public transport connections so we could do 1 night in the chair 1 night at home between the pair of us) I have a fair idea of what my priorities would be.

    Period house with sash windows, cornices and fancy ceiling roses absolutely not.....so I don't see the value of paying over the odds for a 20 year vacant property.......I was half expecting Hugh Wallace to make a grand entrance at one stage (we would have had a hat trick then: room to improve meets diy sos meets great house revival)

    I'm not allergic to stairs but having to drag a buggy up a flight of stairs before even getting in the hall door....no!

    A nice easy access front door with maybe a "parking" area for a pram so you don't need to bring it into the apartments especially if you have to go upstairs to the apartment.

    Easy to clean functional furniture....there's no need for 500 scatter cushions. The big fabric headboards are also a no from me. I'm not looking for a hotel experience.

    Location: I'm not overly familiar with the Southside being a Northsider , so I can't really comment on bus /luas/ dart routes to hospitals, but I would expect the property to have easy access to public transport we all know the cost of hospital parking if you get a spot and there's very little parking around crumlin and Temple Street without a walk....however if I was staying in one of these properties I'd want to me close enough to a decent supermarket to pick up basics....even just for the mental break of a walk to the shops etc.

    Then of course parking, you don't want to be stressing about where you are parking your car....if you are coming back late at night you don't want to have to park miles away.

    I'm really surprised there was not even a blue badge parking spot.....but then this property is completely unsuitable for anyone in need of a blue badge.

    Seeing a waste of funding just absolutely annoys me …yes I know he raised it.... however more families could have been helped if the spending was different.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,650 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    3 or 4 apartments might have been a better investment he had another 250 after he bought the house.
    but it’s TV and I think it’s naive to think all is as it seems when it come to these things. My wife commented that it seems like more a project for Baz to be involved in.
    either way as I said earlier it was a poor episode with far too little of the actual interesting bit of building and far too much of the stuff around the build.
    the show is getting worse each season I think. Nice house but as a show it’s getting worse



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭GAAcailin


    Is Dermot a conservation architect? Am I confused but wouldn't such a property require a conservation architect for the renovations.

    We live close by and when we were looking for a house we ran a mile from any that were listed and required a conservation architect - money pit imo.

    The house has charm and think Julian etc. got swallowed up in that. It is close to Rathmines for shops, amenities etc but a good walk from the green Luas (which is only useful if you want to go into town or Sandyford).

    But look - he got a result. Easy to do a post-mortem and say that he'd be better off with a few purpose build apartments in a less salubrious area etc.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,331 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    I missed the start of the programme, so not sure if they said if the building was listed - I'm guessing not, but kudos to them for restoring and preserving all the original features that were there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,554 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Don't think it was listed. Personal choice not to destroy the fabric and retain as many features as possible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,392 ✭✭✭thereiver


    The house is close to shops and also near bus stops routes to 3 hospitals it's just an old house there's 100s of houses like that in Dublin .if you want to make a house fit for a charity choose simple furniture that's easy to clean like leather sofas .Very few old houses are listed .idid not know you can put glass in to old style windiows that are energy effecient like pvc windows



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,392 ✭✭✭thereiver


    All the room to improve programs are on the rte player going back years .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,331 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    Yep, I'm looking at getting double glazing for my sash windows, have got quotes for that glass - it's eye-wateringly expensive but would mean I could keep my relatively fine wooden sashes and not go for the clunky, thicker wooden or PVC double-glazed version.

    If they managed to blag that glass and restoration workmanship for that many windows of that size, then more power to them, I'd say that would have easily run into six figures!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,540 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Terrible value for money but that's to be expected from any of these charities tbh. Most of them seem to exist as hobby horses for the bored stay-at-home mothers of South Dublin once the kids are in school (or more cynically a means of them "earning" six figure salaries).

    The interior designer seemed a bit of a dose and totally unnecessary when there was a qualified architect on board.

    Fair play to all the trades and suppliers for their generosity but it seems a disservice to that generosity that so little was achieved from such a huge "budget".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,554 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,205 ✭✭✭Baybay


    I’m glad people get the house designs they think they want or like & I wish them all many happy years in their homes while I get a little bit of easy viewing before bedtime on a Sunday evening. There are many different choices I might make but the same would be true in most of the houses of my family & friends & I have to assume the same when they come to my house.

    Julian Benson has CF & as we saw, some of the complications that accompany it. He also felt obliged to keep a promise to his mother. Presumably when he considered what form that might take, he saw a house such as the one bought & families benefitting from it. He mentioned wishing his mother had had a similar option during his hospitalisations.

    I don’t know Julian Benson but he seems a nice person who wanted to do a nice thing for people in a predicament he understands.

    While I also don’t know anything about being a parent of a child with CF, I do know what it’s like to be a parent of a small child who had multiple hospitalisations over an eighteen month period while also being the parent of a smaller child who was a little too young to understand much more than the displacement he experienced while the rest of the family went off on what he might have thought was some kind of jolly, leaving him with extended family.

    Would we have welcomed somewhere like this house that didn’t look or feel like a hospital, somewhere we could get a glimpse of what normal might be like? I think we would. I’m sure there are things we would all have done differently, quicker, better, cheaper but Julian Benson did something & I think he’s to be applauded.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,220 ✭✭✭shanec1928


    thats still the case that its over 10 days or so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,331 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    I was quoted for 5 medium sized sash windows (about half the size of those in that Rathgar house!) - anywhere between 10 and 14 grand - that included fixing up of the sashes, re-weighting them etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,506 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    You can tell the posters who’ve never had to sleep in an armchair beside their child’s hospital bed for days or weeks.

    CF is a lifelong condition. These parents are up and down to hospital all the time and they know that there will always be a next visit. Many of them will have more than one affected child.

    The mentality of begrudging them a nice place to spend a couple of days in comfort is absolutely mind-bending to me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,049 ✭✭✭Suckler


    I expect a bit of manufactured drama from Room to Improve but this episode was packed full of it to such a degree it was just a constant flow of contrived nonsensical moments.

    The initial budget & cost estimate; Dermot at pains to say how surprised he was. Absolute nonsense. Every Architect knows a ball park cost X/m2 for differing build type. He'd have taken one look at the property and known the costs within +/- 20%.

    The budget gap drama - this whole "we'll pull up our boot straps and beg borrow and steal to make it happen" is the sort of codology American TV shows portray and lap up. They didn't delve in to the overall budget in much detail after that.

    There was so little of the actual build covered having it on 'Room to Improve' was pointless; more suited to a DIY SOS type show where it's more focussed on the people and Cystic Fibrosis. Restoring old sash windows and cornices are in no way relevant to the provision of accommodation of this type. It just smacked of the RTE in-house circuit being spun out.

    I have (thankfully) no experience of what a parents & children of CF go through; those families could & should have had a more vocal part of it. Having those involved in the charity itself did them no favours with me personally.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,697 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Absolutely no one is begrudging parents a nice place to stay.

    Some people are asking the question about whether this spend of €1.5 million (half of it borrowed) and at least another €1 million of good will was the best value for money in terms of providing parents with a nice place to stay.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,228 ✭✭✭✭event


    https://jbcff.com/our-mission/#house

    "Our mission is to develop an accommodation facility in Dublin where a family member can stay, whilst their loved one is receiving treatment in hospital. It is usual for CF warriors to be hospitalised for extended periods. This means many Irish families are doing a roundtrip, daily commute from all over Ireland to St. Vincent’s Hospital in Dublin- The National Referral Hospital for Cystic Fibrosis and other Dublin hospitals.

    This is a crucial facility for parents, spouses, siblings and the children of a CF warrior, at a most vulnerable time of stress and worry. This accommodation will allow family members to be close to the hospital, enabling them to spend precious quality time with their families."

    So doesnt look like CF sufferers will be staying in the house at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,697 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    So why were they banging on about double bathrooms to avoid cross contamination?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60 ✭✭Fletwick


    It really annoys me when l see Ronald McDonald House fundraising. They're supported by one of the largest corporate giants on the planet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,554 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Quite often other family members are CF sufferers. They don't require treatment at the same time as their siblings, so allowing for that scenario is built in at build stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,540 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Presumably because if the various units were sharing a bathroom it could multiply the complications of one guest in the house visiting a hospitalised family member whilst sick into four vulnerable patients being exposed to any virus/pathogen they had.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,228 ✭✭✭✭event


    Because its a TV show and you shouldnt take everything as gospel thats said on it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,393 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    To be honest I'd have more of an issue if each unit didn't have their own bathroom.

    These are lovely self contained apartments, a home away from home as such......it's not hostel accommodation.

    Personally I wouldn't like to be sharing a bathroom with another family especially if young children are involved. (Obviously if you had to you just get on with it)

    However own bathroom facilities would be much higher on my list of priorities than period features.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,697 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    No, this was within each unit - two separate bathrooms, with a clear explanation that this was to avoid cross contamination.

    Yerrah, will ya get off the stage. It was a discussion between Julian, the charity's first CEO and Dermot. It may not suit the angle that you're trying to spin, but that doesn't change what was said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,540 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Nothing to do with begrudgery, just fed up of so many charitable causes being taken advantage of by those looking to feed their own ego or bank balance.

    I'm not having a go at Julian Benson here as he clearly put his heart and soul into this project but I do question why he didn't approach CF Ireland with the project instead of spinning up another charity (with all the additional expenses of that - including hiring the CEO who appeard on the show). Perhaps he did and they (rightly) pointed out that spending €1.4m on a period property in one of Dublin's more expensive neighbourhoods that was in need of another €2m or so worth of renovations wasn't an optimal use of resources?

    The latest audited accounts for his foundation are from 2023 so they don't detail the renovation costs or the new CEO's salary (though interestingly they do highlight that a certain Eoghan McDermott stepped down as a director during that year).

    While none of the figures provided for administration expenses appear excessive, they do exceed the donations received by the foundation. Had this project been carried out under the auspices of an already existing charity (such as CF Ireland), those expenses should have been far lower due to economies of scale and the elimination of duplication and Benson's fundraising efforts could have resulted in a development that could have helped even more families.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,697 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    A large corporation that destroys children's health as their core business, but that's OK because they have a cute cartoon character to show they do their charideee bit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60 ✭✭Fletwick


    Everything in moderation.

    my point was the House should have no need to fund raise.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,697 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Moderation isn't what happens in reality though, as they well know - and putting a cute tag line on the adverts doesn't change the huge damage they do to children's health.

    I fully agree with you though about the fund raising.



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