Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Read OP for mod warnings before posting*

Once again Carol Nolan asking the right questions

Deputy Carol Nolan asked the Minister for Justice the number of individuals who have arrived in Ireland at any port of entry, including Dublin Airport, without valid travel documents for each year from 2018 to date in 2025, in tabular form; and if she will make a statement on the matter.

So 2,293 people presented at Immigration at Dublin Airport without documentation in 2024, while another 1,077 arrived with false documents or were described as “imposters”.

First time I'm seeing the word "Imposters" by the government, quite a interesting word alright.

The table below details the total number of persons who have been refused leave to land at Dublin Airport, and of that total, the numbers refused due to presenting false identity documents or no identity documents.

Imagine you come to this country on false or no documentation and they're allowed to apply for asylum in Ireland. This is absolutely nuts.

You come to this island on on false or no documentation, you shouldn't even get to step into the country and be sent back where you came from

So in 2024 just over 2000 people out of over 17 million arriving in Ireland arrived without documentation?

Going by threads like this I thought it would be in the millions.

He has started the deportation flights already, took office and puts his plans straight into action but our "new" government, on a break is it for them? They got their seals and MM his coronation again so holidays

Those figures are for people arriving at ports of entry only.

The majority of asylum seekers are crossing the border from Northern Ireland without being checked by anyone.

That's the gaping hole that's allowing the huge numbers in.

TBH, if you want to get into Ireland on a bogus asylum claim and you arrive in via an actual port of entry, you clearly haven't done your homework.

Those figures account for less than 3500 people, the government was "making provision for 21000-22000" people arriving in 2024 (Irish times article from July 12th 2024, and no I will not be providing a link) so there's either the exact balance of asylum seekers arriving with documentation through ports of entry, which would be odd considering that two thirds of applicants have been proven to be making bogus claims once processed.

There has been widespread reports of people arriving via Northern Ireland to the point that it is a recognised part of this discussion and no I'm not advocating for a hard border and a return to the troubles (seriously?) but there's a clear issue where the arrival of mostly bogus asylum claimants is concerned that requires some joined up thinking between the Irish and British governments.

Lest we forget that bogus claimants are putting ever more pressure on an already creaking system and are contributing to worse outcomes for genuine applicants. The Pearl clutching demonstrated around this topic might be better employed in the direction of ensuring that the most worthy people are the ones receiving the humanitarian aid here and not the chancers.

How many people travel over the border every year to put that 3500 number in context?

What is your solution? You just keep posting soundbites about bogus and chancers.

Did i read right net migration over 900000 arrived into the uk last year. Wow. Keep it up. Be grand.

This has been widely reported over the last year, the percentage ranging from 60%-80% in differing reports, I split the difference and no I will not under any circumstances be providing links.

This information is easily accessible and I don't accept that not providing you with a direct link is grounds for a complete rebuttal of my position.

Yes, this was reported before Christmas, although there seems to be some confusion of the figures and muddying of the water in the way their government report the figures. Similar to Ireland, gaslight and distract to hide the scale of the issues.

Our net migration in the same period was 80k. (edit: bad maths)

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/bulletins/longterminternationalmigrationprovisional/yearendingjune2024#:~:text=Long%2Dterm%20immigration,-Our%20provisional%20estimate&text=Of%20the%201.2%20million%20people,million)%20were%20non%2DEU%2B%20nationals

The Taoiseach has acknowledged that the Government must "do more" to stem the flow of asylum seekers across the border with Northern Ireland.

Simon Harris was appearing before the Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach.

Fianna Fáil TD Jim O'Callaghan had noted the remarks of Minister for Justice Helen McEntee yesterday, in which she claimed that more than 80% of asylum seekers enter the republic over the land border.

"We have to do more in this space," Mr Harris replied. "This wasn't always the way. And, in fact, this is is a relatively recent-month phenomenon".

What will Jim OC now as minister do, more strict policing on all entries from NI to ROI?

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2024/0424/1445456-politics-ireland/

Not sure what the UK migration figure has to do with this thread but from the actual figures posted by another poster do you think we have a serious problem?

No gaslighting as I am sure you can agree.

17+ million arrivals.

I fell sometimes we go around in circles with the same questions always asked, sure if went back over the thread or the previous thread, it be deja vu, same old same old

We had MM and Helen clashing over contractions, I mean if the same team government cannot get on the same page with facts, core information etc., they where can the correct info be sourced from

Minister for Justice Helen McEntee has said she "stands over" the figure that 80 per cent of asylum seekers arriving here have crossed the border from the North.

There has been confusion after Tánaiste Micheál Martin said the figure wasn't "statistical", with suggestions that ministers are contradicting each other.