Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

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The Arabs being screwed over is a bit of a reach.

Isreal is about 0.6% of the Arabian Penninsula.

And some on one side of some conflicts are guilty of Genocide as well as War Crimes.

I already asked the question a few times - hardly surprising that anyone answered - if Netanyahu/Gallant are innocent of War Crimes, why won't they travel to The Hague to prove their innocence?

As already stated, there are many people, organisations, even Israel, stating publicly and with evidence, that Israel is committing Genocide. There are many examples of Senior Israeli Politicians, the Israeli President and Israeli Military staff that have also publicly stated the intent of Israel to commit Genocide.

So, you are more than entitled to keep your powder dry until the ICJ issue their judgment - I do actually get that.

But for many people, watching events unfold in Gaza, in the West Bank, Lebanon and Syria, Israel is carrying on War Crimes without any restraint and without any shame. Many people, as I have stated, are adamant that Israel is committing Genocide. The ICJ calling the Genocide case against Israel "plausible" is a strong indicator that Israel is closer to being found guilty than not. Of course, that judgment is yet to be made. And yes, you can hold your own judgment.

But many others are already convinced that Israel has well and truly crossed the Rubicon.

A long post, but you didn't answer my question.

Why is Ireland so involved in this conflict? Why have we developed an international reputation for being pro Palestine? Why are we being seen internationally as anti-Israeli.

Why is Khabib Nurmagomedov, a Russian MMA fighter making comments like these at a Press conferance.

'Ireland is the biggest supporter in the world for Palestine. Don’t forget about this. We love you guys’

Do you have any explanation at all for this phenomonen sweeping the country, other than 'We're Irish, we're great'.

Of course they got screwed over, they were given no say in what should happen in Palestine post WW1 whilst Europeans decided what should happen to their lands. What would you call ignoring the native population whilst giving preference to settlers from Europe then?

Ireland is small, irrelevant and has a bee in it's bonnet about 'colonialism'. Some think they can be on the side of the angels on everything. There has been no consequences for that mentality which has festered in this state for many decades. There may well be consequences this time.

Serious countries can't behave like that. They want to be in a position to influence situations and find solutions.

When you behave like some Irish politicians do and you present a real bias one way then you are basically excluded and ignored.

Norway is also a small country but they have more credibility with both sides and have been involved in negotiations in the past as a result.

Ireland locks itself out of any involvement or voice due to actions of politicians and other personalities by being one sided.

That's why Israel closed their embassy. Not worthwhile having an embassy here and they don't have to listen to anything we say.

I completely agree that the deaths in Gaza are absolutely deplorable and people deserve to be able to protest against the war.

But dressing up as HAMAS terrorists and waving HAMAS flags in Dublin city centre? That's outrageous. It really is.

People try at great length here to separate support for the Palestinian cause with support for HAMAS, and then you get these head the balls with their green headbands and HAMAS flags.

Actually can't believe what I'm seeing. Are people really that stupid?

Higgins was asked not to speak at the Holocaust Memorial service. Why the hell couldn't he just decide not to speak at it and not try to politicize it.It shows you what an incredible egomaniac he is that he couldn't just swallow his pride and not speak at it or at least not politicize it.

He's basically used the Irish Presidency as his own personal soap box in the last while , everything he's done as president in the last while has been done to promote his own personal world view and forget what may be best for the country.

Who asked him not to speak? And what did he say that was so politicized?

Israel claim to be a liberal democracy. That comes with a responsibility, or should do, and with immeasurably higher standards than dictatorships or terrorist states. If not, what the hell is so good about being a liberal democracy? Do you not agree with this?

The leaders of this liberal, western democracy, are wanted by the ICC for crimes against humanity, and are under investigation for GENOCIDE, which the UN declared as plausible. This is absolutely shocking, why not to you?

Ireland has little to no history of violent antisemitism, and has treated it's Jewish citizens v fairly, and always has. They protection of their religion is enshrined in the constitution. Do any other countries outside of Israel have this in their constitution I wonder?

They have lived here safely for generations, integrated well, and members of their community have traditionally been vastly over represented in Irish politics - and it wasn't all Jewish people voting for them. Do you dispute any of this?

Maybe we don't bear the same shameful guilt that other European nations do in their abhorrent treatment of their Jewish citizens, and so are quicker to call Israel out. That wouldn't be antisemitism now would it? That doesn't mean we love Hamas. In fact the Irish government have frequently condemned Hamas.

I have a question. 75% of UN member countries recognize a Palestinian state.

Why are Israel's governments knickers in so much of a twist because Ireland did the same? Why are they treating us differently?

Ah…. her asking him not to attend is a little fucked up. There were Jew's, Gays, Soviets, Romani, Serbs, Disabled etc… killed in the Holocaust. Did all those groups not want him to attend? You can be sure if he didn't attend he (and the Irish people) would be called out for being disrespectful!

Most events like memorials for the Normandy landings, VE day or Hiroshima & Nagasaki bombings, those speakers use that as a warning to the future and mention/highlight current conflicts. Imaging a politician mentioning the Russian invasion of Ukraine during D-day celebrations, when the soviets lost millions, like Biden did, I think Reagan did also. If you believe the Holocaust only affected Jews, then yes I can see how it would look insensitive calling out Israel.

This constant never ending and frankly pointless criticism of Israel from our politicians (whether justified or not) doesn't paint a good picture of the country in America, you may say we shouldn't care what the Americans think but unfortunately our economy is very dependent on the USA due to our own politicians refusal to try and develope more domestic industry.We really need to be kissing their arses not potentially antagonizing them.It may be servile to do this but that is what we are as we haven't bothered to behave like a proper independent country should by developing proper domestic economy and being able to defend ourselves.None of this obsession with Israel does anything to improve people's lives in Ireland all it is is virtue signalling by our politicians.Other small countries don;t appear to be getting a reputation for hating jews and Israeli's like we have.

Our politicians seem to want the freedom to slag off whatever country they want but not suffer any potential consequences of this, we can't have it both ways, either we behave like a grown up country and develope a proper economy that is not so reliant on FDI and us being a tax haven or we accept that the way our economy is mean we're dependent on the good will of other countries and we need to kiss their arses and toe the line whether we like it or not.

BTW I don't like the Israeli's I think what they have done is disgraceful but our politicians obsessing about it doesn't change what Israel has done and it just potentially pisses off the American's who we depend on for economic prosperity.

So we've gone from don't criticize Israel to kissing Trumps arse?

I highly take offence that critizing Israel's policy of extermination in Gaza is a 'slagging off' of Israel.

FFS Ireland faced criticism for not calling out Nazi Germany, but when we see another country, Russia or Israel, we shouldn't call them out?

So you're in the group to keep quite cause we're sucking on the teat of American FDI?

I will also add that I don't think Irish politicians are obsessing over Israel, more that Israel are constantly trying to draw attention to Ireland. Spain and Norway also recognized Palestine, but to the american audience, only one of those 3 countries are English speakers, so Israel sharing Spanish or Norwegian tweets or news articles is pointless.

In an alternative universe when we have a massive trade surplus with Russia and Russian money flows down the Liffey, we should be keeping silent on the Russian invasion of Ukraine? Or as you say, kissing Russia's arse!

I'm unaware of this new unfavourable impression we have in the US, apart from Trump bitching about trade deficits.