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How can power lines be protected against strong winds?

  • 26-01-2025 03:15PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,941 ✭✭✭


    The extensive loss of electricity throughout the island of Ireland due to Storm Éorwyn makes me think that lessons have not been learned from previous storms.

    Surely, an obvious way of making power outages less likely in the event of a storm is to cut-down, or at least trim, trees that are likely to cut power lines as a result of being blown down by strong winds. If this has not been done then why has it not been done?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    In hurricane belt in US often see local line use poles that are metal and concrete despite wood being much cheaper

    Burying however usually increases maintenance costs tenfold



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,347 ✭✭✭Speedsie
    ¡arriba, arriba! ¡andale, andale!


    There are about 6 ESB poles running along a hedgerow behind my house (not alongside the road). Every five years or so a crew comes out from the ESB to cut the hedgerow & any trees that could interfere with the cables.

    If you have an ESB pole in your garden/land & are concerned about trees interfering with the cables, you can request an assessment.

    https://www.esbnetworks.ie/staying-safe/tree-cutting-assessment



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    simple answer is to bury them. But that's more expensive to do and far more expensive to maintain and fix issues



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 714 ✭✭✭_BAA_RAM_EWE


    fart and alot of people's power goes. The network infastructure is sh1te. And ESB come out with plasters/temporary fixes.

    They can't even organise help from France or UK in time. They come days later and are then sent on a 5 HR drive to do a poxy induction.

    The EU Commission for Crisis management asked our dopey shower in charge on Wednesday if they wanted help and they didn't respond until 4pm yesterday.

    First things first we need to fire a load of people that are just a waste of space but that won't happen so....

    https://connachttribune.ie/mep-finds-it-inexplicable-that-the-irish-government-only-requested-help-from-the-eu-yesterday-afternoon/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,333 ✭✭✭TheRiverman


    Very sad to see the loss of life again by a fallen tree, a young man allowed to go home from work early before the Red Alert started. One death is too many. Trees have been allowed to grow wild on roadsides and near power lines over the years. Time for our Authorities and landowners to wake up and take action. Cut them down.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 260 ✭✭a2deden


    Its a giant storm, what exactly do you want. Every tree that might fall get cut down, that's a bizarre view to take. When it comes to nature, sometimes one just has to deal with the aftermath



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,333 ✭✭✭TheRiverman




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 440 ✭✭myfreespirit


    The poster who says the "ESB = useless wkrs" is wrong, I agree. However, they appear unable to explain why they think the ESB are useless.

    Curious.

    Having said that, it's clear that the ESB high tension distribution network (20kV?) isn't resilient enough to withstand the more frequent and destructive storms we are seeing in recent years. A guy on RTÉ 1 radio on Friday suggested some of the problems are caused by forestry planted too close to ESB lines, not sure if this would cause the major outages seen recently



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,779 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Such anger against the ESB. They are only human. Only so much they can do at a time. They are doing there best. I am sure some of them might have been affected by the storm too.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 714 ✭✭✭_BAA_RAM_EWE


    Theirs gonna be a killing made now for someone with Irish water spending €50,000 on €2,000 generators to put in water plants around the place. Mines out since Friday as still no power.

    WTF do they talk about at these emergency response meetings!? Not a clue.

    Plus my own power came back for an hour yesterday and went again…I'm betting someone is looking to make a killing on overtime, drag out repairs for as long as they can. Jokers.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 714 ✭✭✭_BAA_RAM_EWE


    To do the job that they are super well paid to do is it?????



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,949 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Which is the job they are doing, and doing it very well at that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,288 ✭✭✭Allinall


    So someone is buying 25 generators at €2,000 each, and you’re calling ESB workers ****.

    What have you spent to protect your electric supply?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 260 ✭✭a2deden




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,210 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Typical CA thread.

    People giving out about to things they probably know nothing about, people coming up with crazy ideas about solutions to problems, people complaining about state workers.

    I'm expecting someone to accuse another poster of working for the ESB soon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Trampas


    Hundreds of thousands locations lose power. Unfortunately it’s not possible to fix everyone in seconds or prevent it from happening. It’s not just Esb, eir, Irish water are all working hard to get things back. Probably find esb have called everyone in to find the outages. These people are working long hours you can be sure



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,606 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    The ones at the side of the road are not maintained. They are also undermined by traffic, roadworks, pollution. Really it's the stragglers that are left and the ones pushed to the edge of fields. If you cut a tree down then plant some native trees elsewhere for future generations. Like in the middle of the field, away from the road.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,305 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    put them underground?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,101 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    The last time I asked, the ESB have 2,000,000 poles.

    The biggest help would be increasing the maintenance clearance distance during tree cutting cycles. Typically they are around 4.0m for MV lines.

    Increase to 10m would be a game changer, but I'd can hear the tree lovers and environmental groups losing their sh1t if it was even mentioned.

    No other obvious solution I can think of it.

    Another aspect of the huge repair works is the risk to the men doing the work particularly in the often less than ideal weather conditions.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,003 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Ditches and roadside elements are a carbon sink, and the recent moves by many to clear them is not a positive for anyone. Christ, my parents are elderly, lost power, no mobile coverage. Finally got in touch, they are grand, that is life, it will be sorted.

    It is a pity the community spirit is dead in so many places here nowadays, power went here for a few days, neighbour sent round a message that if anyone wanted without a genny wanted they could call over to them, chuck food in the freezer or have a nice cuppa.

    It costs too much to put all lines underground and increases repair costs immensely (albeit there would probably be less, it is just not realistic or feasible).

    Power banks are available in preparation, run down freezer food and do more local shops in your local shops that have gennys keeping them running.

    Huge compliments to the workers who are doing a stellar job getting sh1t back in order.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,240 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Don't be silly. One death is certainly a tragedy, but you're suggesting we cut down all trees in the country that are on the borders of any roads or power cables?

    Most of the roads are very well maintained, the side roads and boreens are often overgrown, but Ireland has the longest road network in Europe per head of capita

    20 metres of road for every person in the country. This is because our housing is low density. Ireland stands out as a prime example of low-density urbanisation combined with ribbon development

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,419 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    First and foremost, forestry near power lines have to be prohibited. There needs to be clearance when the trees are grown, not just when they are Xmas trees.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,240 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    The actual long term solution to this, is not to guarantee that there won't be more power cuts by spending hundreds of billions rebuilding the entire grid, it's to have local storage, distributed generation and for every home to have their own battery to store energy (the same way every home now has a hot water tank to store hot water)

    When dynamic pricing comes in, it will make sense to install battery storage, so you can charge your battery at off peak prices, and run off those batteries when the price is high

    That exact same infrastructure will also serve as a backup for when there is a storm, while the grid is restored, people can survive with minimal inconvenience off their battery storage.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,419 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    The water tank is ideal for getting over a short disruption, but it is not enough for a week. Solar could help boost batteries, but at this time of year houses might still need some help from the grid. However even a reduced capacity supply is better than nothing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,721 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    this is from nie electric. shows the damage forestry can do. a gap was left but. it's near Fivemiletown.

    https://x.com/NIElectricity/status/1883498066323402901

    oooops sorry scrolled up and saw same video, sorry !

    My weather

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,280 ✭✭✭The Continental Op


    What about the question - how can people be more prepared for power outages which may become more frequent due to global warming?

    What lessons have you learned?

    Wake me up when it's all over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,488 ✭✭✭embraer170




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,794 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Trees that are in danger of contacting power cables should be removed, new trees planted to replace them. The council have being doing that around here as the paths were becoming damaged by roots growing up and out of the old trees… of course that won’t satisfy the bellyaching elements in the green ranks, but you have to be practical and think of safety etc and keeping peoples homes powered…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,419 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    That said, in suburban areas they should keep the trees and bury the cables, which should have been underground in the first place.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 700 ✭✭✭lmk123




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