Israel/Palestine Thread

Do you want to comment on the murder of 40,000+ women and children ?

Thought not , so keep your fake outrage to yourself ?

Go on, humour me. Tell us your definition of "holocaust".

Yep I think that what enemy soldiers are called.Once they are POW its a war crime to kill them. Often used in prisoner swaps along frontlines

And has been pointed out to you before, Herschel Grynszpan must have known what his assassination of German diplomat Ernst vom Rath would lead to, and yet people still have the opinion that Kristallnacht was a bad thing the Germans did.

Ukrainian soldiers know what will happen to them vis-a-vis torture or summary executions if the Russians capture them. Yet strangely, people have this mad idea that that doesn't make said torture or execution right and proper.

A woman down the road here is always going around with black eyes. But it's perfectly acceptable because she knows what not having the dinner ready in time would lead to.

Perhaps it might be a case that "knowing" a reaction doesn't fully excuse that reaction?

If you write to them, they'll give you the full details regarding how the survey was carried out, they say. An online, self-chosen cohort. I'm not going to write to them but I pretty much am sure that it is not a representative sample. Nevertheless, even at that, Q.20 is telling - and this was back in June 2024:

 20. 
How strongly do you approve or disapprove of the way President Biden is handling the Israel-Hamas war?
 	 	 
Approve strongly	  13%	 
Approve somewhat	  35%
Disapprove somewhat	  20%	 
Disapprove strongly	  23%	 
Not sure	           9%	 
No answer	          <1%	 
 	 	 
Approve - 48%
Disapprove - 43%
Not sure - 9%
No answer - <1% 

Of course, some of the 43% who disapproved might have wanted him to give Israel more bombs, as the question is ambiguous. But on balance I'd guess a lot of them disapproved of Biden's genocidal tendencies.

Many of the other questions are ambiguous too.

Then again, given that the source is hardly neutral, the ambiguity is probably intentional.

According to the statistics available, less than 2% of the US population is jewish. Yet Biden's cabinet had 10 jews out of 28 members. That's about 36%. Whether you support it or not, it is wildly disproportionate at more than 18 times their percentage in the wider US population.

When you consider that they are also known zionists, which are a subset of US jews, it was even less representative again. I'd have been wondering the same if 10 members of his cabinet were Mormons or Muslims, and so would everyone else, and it would have been openly discussed.

Let's look at it in an Irish context: could you imagine an Irish government where 36% of the government ministers were Church of Ireland? It would be viewed as completely unrepresentative, and people would be wondering how it happened. It would be a cause for comment, without a priori criticising any specific individual's abilities.

So no, I am not anti-jewish. I am strongly anti-zionist, and a great many wonderful jews worldwide are too, I have already mentioned Chomsky, Finkelstein, Blumental, Naomi Klein etc.

Finally, Irish jews already have a state. It's the same one that Irish catholics and Irish protestants have: it's called Ireland.

Comments like Blanch's demonstrate clearly how little they now about this country. Wouldn't you wonder how they managed to go through 14 years of schooling here and not know that Ireland's (26 cos) population dropped year after year from 1845 to around 1960.

Maybe Trump is right? What is the alternative?

…

I'm not saying I support resettlement BTW.

I can't get my head around these two contradictory comments in one posts.

Mind you, this poster has constantly provided support for Israel's actions, so my opinion is that the word "not" was written in error.

I believe the definition of genocide includes forced displacement of a population. In other words you are, in your mealy-mouthed way, supporting genocide.

Have you thought this through? If this was to happen the next target would be the Palestinians in the West Bank. Following on from that would come the Palestinians of Jerusalem and Northern Palestine.

This is 7 million people - and believe you me, this will not provide Israel with security so they will find an excuse to continue their expansion. We have all seen the Yahoo's maps of the Middle East, they are not a secret.

I didnt say I supported it, I said that's Trump's suggestion.

Maybe Trump is right? What is the alternative?

These words of yours, although formulated as questions, seem to suggest otherwise.

Firstly, you didn't answer my question as to why Ireland has become so involved in this war as compared to other countries, or why the interest in this conflict above all others.

Why is Ireland, and not other countries, involved in a diplomatic spat with Israel? Why can our President not keep his mouth shut on the issue?

The bottom line is, if you're relentlessly talking about the subject, you're drawn to it for some reason. Pretending that antisemitism isn't the motivating factor for a large segment of the irish poulation is just silly.

Secondly, to say that an accusation that Ireland is indeed a racist country is not outrageous at all. We're a deeply racist country as many immigrants will testify.

Anglophobia is racism, and there's a huge section of the Irish nation that freely embraces that. Could they not be antisemitic too?

You don't need Jews in Ireland to be antisemitic. You just need to look at the online commetry and see the amount of virulent anti jew posts and Posters.

You have to go very far to find evidence of this racism in our country. Pretending that the glorious irish nation couldn't possibly be antisemitic is rubbish.

Racism has long been a feature of Irish society

Irish network against racism

As the experience of Travellers and other minorities attests. The evidence from minorities' direct experience logged with the iReport.ie system shows that racism is an ongoing and everyday experience for all minorities in multiple dimensions of life.

racism-is-rampant-in-ireland-across-all-sectors-and-levels/

https://www.irishtimes.com/special-reports/2023/10/13/racism-is-rampant-in-ireland-across-all-sectors-and-levels/