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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP, Updated 18/03/25

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,807 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    I've no doubt that prisoners will be leased out to those farms in need of labour. God bless the USA's continuing slave system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,016 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Definitely one possibility. They'll need to start handing out even tougher sentences for lesser crimes.

    "Jaywalking! 25 years! No chance of parole!

    NEXT!

    Walking on the grass?! Beside a 'do not walk on the grass' sign??! I will show some clemency due to your anglo-saxon, if unkempt, appearance and not consign you to the electric chair, but I'm afraid you will spend the rest of your life in the custody of this state. Conjugal visits denied!

    NEXT!"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,836 ✭✭✭Nermal


    Quite a few 'DEI' specialists have just hit the unemployment line. I'm sure they won't mind getting their hands dirty, will they?

    To be serious: they will have to employ people who have a right to work in the US, and likely pay more than a pittance to get them. So what?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,612 ✭✭✭Rawr


    I think that “centrist” answer amounted to that meme posted a couple of pages ago that compared the Dems of the 1850s with the Dems of today.

    It’s the kind of post that is made without any consideration that the Civil War era Dems were essentially MAGA, and the new Republican Party of Abe Lincoln was the anti-slavery progessive party of it’s day. They swapped roles in the 20th Century thanks to the GOP’s “Southern Policy” and other factors.

    You’d wonder what would go through a “Centrist’s” head if they had even considered that. The early GOP were essentially radical leftists™ who wanted to treat slaves as equals! Would that spark something in their minds to consider how perspectives can change over time, and how the rest of us are talking holistically about the effect of an entire society instead of smacking out heads repeatedly against the wall screaming: “This’ll learn dem libs! This’ll learn dem libs!”

    I honestly wonder how well many of them did in school given their aversion to homework.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,016 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Good question. If I were in Fanone's shoes, I'd be pretty nervous about bringing any more publicity on myself right now by engaging in a high profile lawsuit against one or more people who feel like - with some justification - that they are protected by the law but not lawbound, along with a huge amount of sympathisers.

    After the attack, Fanone's mother was also targeted by a person who supported the Jan 6th attacks, throwing human faeces on her while she was out doing the garden.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,016 ✭✭✭✭briany


    "So what?"

    If the wages of the new agricultural workers goes up significantly, so will the prices of the produce, and Trump will achieve exactly the opposite of his promise to bring prices down.

    Slow clap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,836 ✭✭✭Nermal


    So on the one hand I'm obliged to give weight to David Duke twisting what Trump clearly said to mean the exact opposite. But on the other, no positive interpretation of any ambiguity in his statements is ever allowable, per the below:

    By the way, apropos of nothing, does anyone else remember when Biden said Trump should be put in a 'bullseye' a few days before someone tried to assassinate him? I do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,836 ✭✭✭Nermal


    If wages increase by more than prices, then both commitments are achieved.

    If they don't, there's always an election around the corner. Voters will decide which commitment is more important: low prices or ending illegal immigration. In the opinion polling I've seen it looks like it's the former. But people often think differently in the voting booth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,016 ✭✭✭✭briany


    What's classic is when Trump does or says something so egregious that every right-wing talking head goes dark for days or weeks depending on severity, desperately trying to think of an angle or what's legally-allowable to say. After the riot, you couldn't find a mainstream right-wing head who was immediately willing to back him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,016 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Trump and Vance will need to hope that MAGA would rather drink metaphorical 'liberal tears' than eat enough solid food, which perhaps they will. In a country where there is already a cost of living crisis, the sudden rise in cost of basic foodstuffs, which then go into most other things will be difficult to offset indeed.

    And it's not even down to just agriculture. How many essential industries across the southern United States would go into meltdown if there was a rather sudden and precipitous fall in the number of immigrants who they could pay under the table for pennies on the dollar. The building trade for one…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,225 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    If anyone thinks the Republicans wouldnt support setting up modern gulags, they haven't neen paying attention.

    Perfect solution. (For the extremists)

    Round up the immigrints keep them in for-profit 'detention centres' and force them to work in the plantations doing the jobs they used to do.

    Post edited by Akrasia on

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭TinyMuffin


    don’t call them this as it upsets Elon.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,807 ✭✭✭✭banie01




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,973 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Bad on the Tiktok front too, looks like Trump will have major influence over who buys it and will likely be either Elon or Ellison, both Trump supporters.

    If that happens, will be another social media megaphone handed to MAGA



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,016 ✭✭✭✭briany


    The prison labour situation in the United States even at the point before Trump took office again makes for very sobering reading,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_labor_in_the_United_States

    Look at this under Florida:

    Inmates in Florida are forced to perform labor, often under threat of solitary confinement and beatings. These inmates are not paid for the labor they’re made to perform, and unsatisfactory performance can also lead to solitary confinement. In one instance, a prisoner working as a barber was sent to solitary for dropping a hair clipper, while in another, a woman who suffered a breakdown and refused to clean a set of toilets was beaten to the point of full body paralysis.

    And the Guardian article the above paragraph cites,

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jun/21/florida-unpaid-prison-labor

    Making actual gulags wouldn't be some great dystopian leap. It would just be turning the dial from 9 to 10.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,539 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    If wages increase by more than prices, then both commitments are achieved.

    Didn't work for Biden…

    This is all rather ignoring the fact that unemployment in the US is incredibly low. The people don't exist for these jobs. The US reliance on illegal immigrant labour is problematic, but it is also a reality. Partly based on the fact that they don't make it easy for those they rely on for this labour to come legally in the first place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Can you point to one of the decent people marching with the Nazis in Charlottesville? Simple question really. Pretty sure you can't because decent people don't march with people who are white supremacists and Neo Nazis. If there was none then Trump was being a complete moron and ignoring intelligence briefings. Or he knew but was trying to maintain support from Nazis...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,612 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Jesus Christ Elon….read up on the Streisand Effect will you?
    “Swasticars” you say? Fun…and noted for repeated future usage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,016 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I've said this before: I think the Trump government will end up implementing something similar to the Kafala system in Saudi Arabia, so they can have their migrants legally working for next to nothing but they won't have any rights or a pathway to permanent citizenship.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Is this 'megathread' a place for those against Trump? Most of the comments I've seen seem to point that way.

    I am glad he is back, he will do more good than otherwise and certainly more than the previous ticket…can't remember their names.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,807 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    2 books I recommend to anyone with a passing interest in the current state of play in the US prison system and it's use of modern day slavery are:

    &

    Both offer great overview of the reasons behind the continuation of and massive growth of the prison labour system. It is the modern corvee, where only the poorest suffer. When the rich can game the system, it's the poor who suffer most at the hands of the courts. There is little rehabilitative or restorative justice to be gained by the prisoners, yet much profit to be gained by the Jailors! Be they State or Private companies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    He's always been a deeply unpopular figure in Ireland and plenty of other countries so to expect general support would be a bit silly. And naturally he's even less popular when he endorses what amounts to genocide within his first week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,836 ✭✭✭Nermal


    Labour is available at the right price, reallocated from some other occupation. Reliance on illegal immigrant labour is not a fact of life, it's a policy choice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,612 ✭✭✭Rawr


    The megathread is about Trump, and since the vast majority of what he does, supports and represents is generally negative to the wellbeing of the US and humanity at large, option of him tends to lean negative.

    It’s the consequence of reality shining upon him and nearly any claim he makes. You’ll find an opinion in favor of him, usually needs a bit cognitive dissonance, like for example pretending that he didn’t call Nazies “fine people” (new example of that recently here) or buying into the fiction that he has any organisational acumen at all despite decades of examples of how bad he his. (There’s a longer list, but lets spare everyone that for now)

    But you know, by all means please feel free to be glad that he’s back. Just be prepared to back up any position in favor of him with real information and not just curated talking-points from the MAGA-verse (because we’re well used to spotting them)



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    oh interesting, I didn't know he endorsed genocide, can you point me to that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,721 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    Most people in Europe have a low opinion of Trump. This thread reflects that. You're going to have to elaborate on what you mean by "do more good…", it's a pretty useless statement in itself, like a film review with a rating but no discussion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,031 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


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    People are also printing these out as stickers and putting them on Teslas.

    Don't do that either, obviously......

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭greenfield21


    Trump is back and seems to be much more prepared now, great to see and will hopefully continue. Hopefully the Irish government will see how exposed we are here and work together to get the new admin on side to lessen the impact on our exports.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Good things that he will try get over line so far as I see them, they might not all work out, but who can say any of the below ideas are not good?

    1: Ending illegal discrimination and restoring merit-based opportunity

    2: Defending women from gender ideology extremism and restoring biological truth to the federal government

    3: Reforming the federal hiring process and restoring merit to government service

    4: Establishing and implementing the President's "Department of Government Efficiency"

    5: America First policy directive to the Secretary of State

    6: Protecting the United States from foreign terrorists and other national security and public safety threats

    7: Reevaluating and realigning United States foreign aid (especially to UNRWA and other corrupt 'charities')

    8: Restoring accountability for career senior executives

    9: Declaring a national energy emergency - This I like but seems in contrast to another initiative about wind energy.

    10: Securing our borders

    11: Protecting the meaning and value of American citizenship

    12: Declassifying of Records Concerning the Assassinations of President John. F Kennedy, Senator Robert F. Kennedy, and the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

    What I do not like so far (besides his silly dance)

    1: Temporary withdrawal of all areas on the outer continental shelf from offshore wind leasing and review of the federal government's leasing and permitting practices for wind projects

    2: Withdrawing the United States from the World Health Organization : It might be better to push for reform with deliverable timelines, then leave if it does not work.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,225 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Lol. Your plan is for our politicians to lick his arse in the hope that he gives us favourable treatment.

    Is that how we make Ireland great again?

    Through appeasement.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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