Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Do you think that Israel has committed Genocide, according to the definition?

I sense people are jumping at you and your in defence mode. You may ask why, its because there tends to be polar opinions on this subject.

Israel may seem democratic / non muslim, a country surrounded by agressive countries. But all we ask is, look at Israelie actions. Since their inception, Israel has moved 600,000 of their citizens onto palestinian land, its taken 100,000 hectares of palestinian land and 50,000 palestinian homes have been demolished. Not to mention the removal of free travel and basic human dignity.

Yes Hamas are terrorists, i cant think of one person that argues that. The difference is people defend israel and their actions as above and worse, from a democratic elected govt, but then seem to blame all palestinians for the actions of unelected hamas terrorists.

So maybe try understand posters that try to get you to answer direct questions, like, has israel committed genocide,because we all know they have.

It's not just that. The easiest thing in the world is to have a sense of fair play i e Justice. If you see something that makes you think that it is unfair to one side or the other then you make your mind up fairly quickly and easily. When you see 2,000 pound bombs being dropped on highly populated residential areas, water being turned off, refusal to allow medicine in, attacks on hospitals and sniping little children then your sense of fair play kicks in. There would want to be something seriously wrong with your thinking to believe that incidents like those are fair.

The excuse that 'children die in war' just doesn't cut the mustard especially when the numbers of children dying is four times the numbers in global wars over the last four years. A sense of fair play is all you need to make your mind up and come to the right conclusion.

Sounds like you're just getting your excuses in early here to be honest!

Also, according to your rationale, if the ICJ doesn't give the verdict you want, logically, those learned judges are not right thinking people, which is a pretty bold conclusion to make.

The right conclusion is that Hamas started this war, are responsible for prolonging it, should have surrender 12 months ago and are responsible for every single death that has occured.

The fires in California caused 250 billion worth of damage how many billions of damage had been caused by the war .

I recall the early days of this conflict where posters were at pains to drag out of any pro Palestinian a sworn affidavit that they condemned Hamas.

Anyone who didn't condemn what Hamas did, in the early days, were obviously Hamas sympathisers . Unless they were already anti Israel before Oct 7th. Which in Ireland, is a big possibility.

When anyone looks at the definition of Genocide and matches that up against what Israel has done, I believe the majority would agree that Israel has undoubtedly committed Genocide.

That is your opinion. Your blanket condemnation of everyone who sees things slightly differently to you, does not suggest an open mind. Which is needed in such conflicts.

No one wants to see innocent people being killed. It's horrendous and heartbreaking. Just because I don't agree with the Republican view of the conflict, doesn't mean I have no compassion. On the contrary, I have compassion for both sides over this very long conflict.

I'm just a layperson with a conscience. Not sure that I'm "like the rest of you" - I certainly do not justify what Israel is doing.

As for legal counsel, no, I'm not giving any. Only the ICJ can judge the case. But the evidence is strong - many respectable organisations, legal groups and even Israelis have determined that Israel is committing Genocide e.g. Medecins san frontieres, Human Rights Watch, Amnesty international.

But sure, you're welcome to deny it as much as you like - I'm not here to lecture you or anyone else. Just providing information.

If the ICJ judges decide Israel has not committed Genocide, I have no problem with that. But that does not exonerate Israel from the facts that they have murdered hundreds of thousands of innocents.

If however, the ICJ does rule that Israel has committed Genocide, what will your reaction be? Will you have a problem with that?

Perhaps you're missing the point?

As for the predictable accusations of antisemitism and hatred of Jews, that's been debated many times here and it's clear it's just a defence mechanism to deny the atrocities Israel has perpetrated.

Your analysis appears fundamentally flawed because it is based on extreme bias for Israel. Perhaps consider that people just don't like to see innocents murdered - including Israelis.

Actually, not just my opinion. Many organisations and legal groups agree that Israel is committing Genocide. Even the ICJ ruled that the case before them is plausible.

The credible reports of the Palestinian girl in the car, surrounded by her dead family, frantically calling for help on her phone, just before she was shredded by a Merkana main battle tank does not need "an open mind". Nor do you need an "open mind" to condemn the murder of the two medics who went to help her.

Or perhaps you believe we all need to have an "open mind" to consider the trauma the IDF soldiers must have suffered that made them anally rape a Palestinian prisoner? Or snipe nuns? Or murder surrendering civilians? Or even kill sheep? Or leave neonates to decompose in their incubators? Or bulldoze cemeteries?

Sure, let's all have a little think about that and consider what made Israel murder all those people. And at the same time, let's have a little think about the Israeli attack helicopter that unloaded its arsenal into the convoy of Israelis fleeing the festival. The pilot must of course still be in rehab - the poor thing.

You come across like the evil ambassador being interviewed by David McCullagh last week. It went something like this:

Evil Ambassador: Ireland is obsessed with Israel and it is antisemetic because it holds Israel to a different standard than other countries.

David McCullagh: Israel holds itself out as a liberal democracy. Are there any other liberal democracies that have killed 40k of its neighbours in the last few years?

EA: Those are Hamas numbers.

DMc. Are you disputing those numbers?

EA: Ireland is antisemitic.

Bringing in a question I asked on another thread, and transposing your "logic" to another topic (albeit admittedly merely rhetorically to show its fault) …….. why are we in the West so obsessed with the "Holocaust"*? 6 million Jewish people died, but we can compare that to the over 8 million Chinese civilians died as a direct result of military crimes and mass killings. That doesn't include death or starvation or "collateral damage". It was Chinese civilians rounded up by occupation forces and killed en masse. We often hear about the Holocaust whether it be in school or TV or movies or media but nothing about the Chinese killed. You yourself have even referred to the Holocaust on boards.ie. Does the lack of any reference by you to the 8m Chinese citizens murdered show your own hypocrisy and invalidate your supposed principles on the matter? Are we able to take your supposed "principles" as anything other than a convenient bandwagon to push your agenda? Should we take any future attempted condemnation of the deaths of those Chinese people from you now as being merely just a cynical way to dig yourself out after being called out, and therefore worthless words.

The alternative might be just that people are more aware of certain issues because of proximity and connections. But lets see what you say. It might indeed just be anti-Asian racism and hatred. Only you can tell us.

*Holocaust referring to the holocaust of the 6m Jewish people in WWII. Not the currently ongoing one in Gaza being perpetuated by zionists, many of them descendants of those that survived the former.

That was one post.

Interview is here

BTW, they welcome the intention to adopt a new definition of antisemitism but you cannot have a new definition of genocide because that doesn't suit the genocidists.

And the Irish media is terrible to be reporting current facts rather than just repeatedly covering a specific incident from 15 months ago over and over every day.

She effectively said "yiz are all antisemitic because you reporting some facts rather than the propaganda we are ordering you to report"

I thought all the folk Hamas took hostage were civilians anyway?