The Traitors

Yeah it's a decent ploy by Charlotte to put more suspicion onto Freddie & Alexander, but if Leanne points out at the roundtable that she'd told Charlotte she got the shield, Freddie could realise he's being set up. Hardest thing about that though would be trying to explain that to the other Faithfuls without now outing himself as a Traitor.

Sad to see Minah go. She was a great Traitor and as she pointed out at the Roundtable pretty much all their reasoning for voting for her was based on "Well there's no real proof she's a Traitor so if she is a Traitor she's a good one, so I'll vote for her because there's no proof she's a Traitor". She didn't really put a foot wrong, becoming more victim to a shot-in-the-dark vote which ended up being right.

There's been a bit of talk about how there's no real advantage to voting off Traitors early because they just get replaced and it kind of breaks the show/game a bit. I saw a comment this morning from I think one of the contestants in the US version (as they mentioned Alan being the host), that there should be consequences for the Faithfuls getting it wrong, in that if you vote for a Faithful and they get banished, only the people who voted for that Faithful are ones the Traitors can consider for murder that night as punishment for getting it wrong.

It might cut out a bit of the usual bandwagoning or "I'm just trying something different by voting for you this time" that happens with votes, making it crucial that the Faithfuls have to have more of an incentive to get it right each time. Could be an interesting twist.

Fair enough on that aspect but it still feels like the producers are manufacturing the final of this show to what they want the outcome to be - it’s not all in the hands of the group to determine who wins -

The show is heavily influenced by the producers. That's known. I highly doubt they push for an outcome, they likely don't care. Their job is to produce and they manipulate what we see.

Name a reality tv show and it's true.

I wouldn't so much say the producers are manufacturing the final to what they want the outcome to be, but more just manufacturing the show to make sure they get 12 episodes. It's why earlier in the show a Faithful can choose to accept a recruitment or not, but if there's only one Traitor left with a few more episodes to go, the choice then becomes recruitment or murder to try and make sure the Faithful accepts.

The producers aren't going to care who wins, but yeah they need to make sure they get their full run of 12 episodes and at least one Traitor in the final. After that, it's up to the group. Even things like Charlotte knowingly pushing to murder Leanne last night but knowing Leanne has the shield will mean one extra person to breakfast tomorrow where the producers may not originally accounted for. Even the winning of the shield was random, and Leanne didn't need to tell anyone she had it. I'm still not sure why she did considering she was so close to Minah the entire game without knowing she was a Traitor, and then decides "I can definitely tell Jake, Frankie and Charlotte. None of those are Traitors."

There is definitely some element of manipulation and manufacturing by the producers, but also, can't account for stupid.

Jake has been first to vote and Charlotte last for the last few episodes. They sit beside each other. As people have left they show the votes in sequence, clockwise starting with Jake.

While I certainly like the idea of Alexander in the final two and then let’s see how it plays out, given he’s a blow-in, there will be an itch to be scratched there and he might go sooner than we’d like.

As much as Leanne is so annoying her dumb blonde act has worked to date - I’m still debating if it’s an act or not though 😀

Asking people to come at her and then getting pissed when Alexander dared question, that took the biscuit 😂

The traitors this season absolutely stole the show regardless of what happens now. Alexander for me is possibly the dark horse though - Id love to see Charlotte vs Alexander final

Maybe the show's cliffhanger is yet another misdirect (I think the last two have been) and young Freddie doesn't go along with 'murdering' shielded Leanne.

It's allowed when it's an ultimatum recruitment.

Yeah, the task was actually interesting for once.. I wish there were more like that - where the traitors are incentivised to stick their neck out a bit and put themselves in danger in the process. Far better than just straight up playing for money.

The "Minah told me" comment was absolutely idiotic.

Honestly happy with anyone but Leanne winning, would love Alexander but I can't see it.

This task isn't tense at all, don't know what Claudia is yabbering about!