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Forming the next Irish Government - policies and personalities

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,419 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    This new government decided to take their Christmas break after the election, wait til the end of January to elect a Taoiseach, add 3 junior ministers and negotiate with a man who had his own tribunal. No wonder some of the public aren't too happy with them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,903 ✭✭✭Archduke Franz Ferdinand


    Michael Lowry is the Machiavellian figure watching on. He has undue levels of power and influence due the his lndependent group holding the balance of power and the desperation of FF and FG to retain their power. Danny Healy Rae and the the others want to ride two horses in this race, it’s not on. That’s what’s unseemly, not the shouting today



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,397 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    No no no no, not correct at all, Martin and Harris said the public are not interested in such minor things whatsoever in their joint press conference after the dail suspension this afternoon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,918 ✭✭✭HBC08


    Just caught the clip of Mary Lou being very solemn and serious outside the Dail flanked by Ivana and Richard Boyd Barrett (lol)

    This is the level SF are at now.

    Bad decisions are what got them here and they seem to be leaning more into them.

    A genuinely remarkable collapse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,016 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Did Harris really call the events "an utter disgrace, with so many pressing issues facing the country"?

    This is the same Harris as leader of the outgoing government, decided to take the extra week off for the christmas break, and just returned today, Jan 22nd? That Harris, complaining about urgent issues that need addressing?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Will this debacle lead to this Dáil being dissolved one month after its first sitting?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,403 ✭✭✭corkie


    Was hoping to able to protect my 'Xitter' account tonight, after a government was formed. Just opened it now to scan a list to see if the accounts are on 'Bluesky' and the above was the top of my feed!

    If they hadn't steam rolled the political group through, they wouldn't have the objections they received today. A situation of there own making. But Micheal putting his own spin on it as usual, and expected!

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    Sorry for neglecting boards, but got absorbed into creating this the last two weeks. (Source code available).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Its certainly been an explosive day in the Dail. And I must say the way the opposition have utd against the issue of the speaking rights has impressed me somewhat. Today events are what democracy is all about.

    I posted about this govt cute hoorism when this issue first surfaced a week or so ago after the PFG was agreed and it came to light that the RIG were looking for opposition speaking time.

    We may well see the same scenes again tomoro if this RIG insist on speaking out of two sides of their mouth. The simple solution is to just settle in on the govt side as that's the side they have agreed to be on, included with junior and super junior ministerial posts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,966 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    It is impossible to chair a meeting where some people have decided to be disruptive no matter what. We had a good example of that today. 90% of blame on the main opposition party.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,300 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    The grant for 2 walls is €800, 3 is €1200 and I think 4 is €1600

    But anything less than 2 walls is €0.

    Because we have an extension the ground floor of the external back wall was taken away. An expensive lesson in insulation but it's something I wanted to do anyway so not too bad I guess



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,903 ✭✭✭Archduke Franz Ferdinand


    Michael Martin gets even more sanctimonious and arrogant



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,510 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    MM

    What we witnessed today was the subversion of the Irish constitution.The most fundamental obligation of the Dáil is to elect a Taoiseach and indeed a government.

    😁

    His coronation ruined



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,696 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    You missed my point. If a more experienced operator was in the CC seat the issue would have been worked out and resolved before the dail sat. It was naive of her to assume all would be fine, and embarrassing to see her (and hear whoever the FF lad was trying to nominate MM) attempt to plough on.

    Address the issue at hand and then move on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,639 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    What do you mean 'no matter what'? The Chair is sacrosanct, absolute, omnipotent.

    If you don't get order in the house, you start throwing people out. If they don't leave, you adjourn the house for 10 mins, and resume when they are gone, suspended for the day.

    If you do that 3 or 4 times, you'd be surprised how quickly the members will STFU and find their manners.

    Verona Murphy's failure to assert herself as the supreme power in the chamber has probably mortally wounded her. All it will take is one voice of no-confidence tomorrow and there'll be a vote to take her out.

    Which doesn't get us any closer to having a government.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,149 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    What??? The opposition made a mountain out of a very resolvable molehill to make political capital but they've ended up looking like the ones frustrating democracy. All while having a good go at someone trying to do her first day in the job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,572 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    There seems to be a lot of genuine ill feeling around this. FF's Thomas Byrne is arguing with Ivana Bacik and Pierce Doherty in a very bad tempered fashion on Prime Time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,339 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey


    Shambles.

    How could any voter have any degree of confidence in a Dail that cannot tackle a simple issue concerning speaking time ?.

    Throwing the toys out of the pram becomes a default response.

    When Lowry sat on the opposition benches in several previous Dails did Labour, PBP or Sinn Fein vociferously object to his presence ?. Then why now ?.

    Shouting down the Ceann Comhairle will not impress those voters SF needs to impress.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,042 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Byrne ducking the questions. Wrong man to send out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,500 ✭✭✭howiya


    Did Lowry negotiate and sign up to a programme for government on those occasions?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,419 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    If Verona Murphy can't keep control tomorrow, she has to go.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,042 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Government in the wrong according to 3 panelists on Prime Time including a constitutional expert.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,944 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,403 ✭✭✭corkie


    @Larbre34 Verona Murphy's failure to assert herself as the supreme power in the chamber has probably mortally wounded her. All it will take is one voice of no-confidence tomorrow and there'll be a vote to take her out.

    @hotmail.com If Verona Murphy can't keep control tomorrow, she has to go.

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    Source:- https://bsky.app/profile/irishexaminer.bsky.social/post/3lgebesjkmn2s Article:- Link!

    • The powerful position of Ceann Comhairle has always been a coveted one, as chair of Dáil Éireann, he or she is the sole judge of order and has a range of powers and functions.
    • On assuming office, and to ensure the unique role of presiding impartially over proceedings, the Ceann Comhairle is by tradition precluded from active participation in politics, they must bring all parties and none with them in order to maintain order during what can be feisty and heated debates.

    Can she regain control tomorrow, or has she shown that she is not capable for the role?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,206 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    I tried to watch virgin media there and turned it off. They were all talking over each other. The whole lot of them are a joke after today. Between the 174 of them they made this mess.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,680 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    It's amazing how you could completely miss the core issue yet label yet condemn those involved regardless.

    The reason for objection to Lowry now compared to before is because Lowry has done something completely different this time to warrant the objection.

    I'm glad to see the panel on Prime Time agrees fully with the opposition and I'd expect the proposed government will back down tomorrow morning because there's no sense in persisting with the charade that Lowry proposes when legal advice, constitutional experts and the general public are clearly against them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,419 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Shocking but not surprising that yet another political correspondent is joining the government spin machine.

    Hugh O'Connell.

    Another wounding blow to our already tiny and ineffective media.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,419 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Dreadful stuff with Gavan Riley. Let's hope he's just a very temporary stand in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,608 ✭✭✭forumdedum


    I agree completely with the opposition on this. Government totally wrong here imo. I don't see a solution either



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,088 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    Not according to most independent media accounts.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,680 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    It depends who was motivated to create this situation in the first place.

    If it was FF&FG's idea to protect backbencher speaking minutes then it's a simple solution, they need to back down and offer a share of their speaking time to the 4 TDs.

    If it was Lowry's idea because he and others wants to muddy the waters of being in government then it's complicated since it was likely part of the formal arrangement for their support. FF & FG may feel that reneging on that deal will put the support of the 4 TDs in jeopardy but there might be no other choice.



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