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Trump - The positives - (see Mod note in OP)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    I used to think the same but this election has proven that it’s not “it’s the economy stupid” but “it’s the perception of the economy by the stupid, stupid”

    Biden at end of 2024 had created possibly the best US economy for a very very long time by just about any metric from unemployment to inflation to rates to stock market highs

    Trump could cause a Great Depression type crash in next few years and you bet the media (social and traditional) would blame the democrats for it and let Trump off the hook, hell he did **** up the economy on his way out the first time around and yet people were looking back with rose tinted glasses

    And then there’s young people who voted for Trump, I haven’t seen so much nose cutting since Brexit



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 250 ✭✭Bakka


    Trump is President because the cost of living in the States went through the roof with bidenomics. Eggs went up by a third, apples doubled in price, butter is over 7 dollars a tub. Rents are through the roof. People are really struggling. There's record homelessness and drug use. Crime is through the roof. It's everyday issues like this that people voted for Trump. People felt they were far better off with Trump in office. Inflation was much lower. Men were not competing in womens sports. That's why Trump won.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    I suspect if we see even higher inflation in egg prices under Trump over next 4 years

    His supporters will downplay and dismiss it

    Like I said it’s not about reality but perception of reality, which is why a president with few policies or often contradictory policies is now in White House

    Facts and reality be damned

    Eagerly awaiting to see what happens to price of eggs when the migrants who work on farms, transportation and shops are sent home and not replaced by anyone

    ^ gonna do wonders for egg and food prices



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,729 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    The main thing Trump did to get elected is that he wasn't Biden and is (most likely - I certainly haven't checked) not a woman.

    If you live in America these are both positives

    What positives could he bring over the next 4 years?

    • If you are a deeply religious American you are now going to be able to exert more control over the non-believers.
    • He will likely end the wars in Ukraine and Gaza - not in a way that is massively positive for the people of Ukraine or Gaza - but positive for the rest of the world from the point of inflation and immigration. He might do the same in Syria and Iran due to the Russian and Israeli interests in that part of the world
    • He will probably deport a lot of the hard working immigrants that keep the country running, possibly causing either a new inflation spiral or a recession. Because those workers will be going back to mainly Latin America where the EU have strong trade deals, this could be good for us.
    • He has promised that corporations will have a tax rate of 15%, lower than much of the world but the same as Ireland so we probably won't be hit very hard by this. Said 15% tax rate will also provide much less tax take to the federal govt. Overall this will likely be bad for America but less bad, maybe even good for the rest of the world

    Overall he's going to destroy America but because America is a lot less important to global democracy than it used to be I don't think it will be as much of a problem for the rest of the world



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,064 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    In the short term it will likely put further upward pressure on prices. The long term it's not so certain and may well result in lower real prices.

    The reason for this is that it will force innovation and automation in sectors where this is difficult. An abundance of cheap labour is a known drag on productivity and holds back investment in technology with long or uncertain payoffs

    Migrants won't be replaced by Americans but by machines



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Surprised picachu faces on blue collar trump voters when his billionaire buddies with their AI and robotics and software companies fire em ( not much in way of worker protections in US as is)

    Price of eggs could be the least of worries when unemployed and unemployable in an oligarchic dystopia



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,537 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    So much delusion in one post! Let's debunk some of the misinformation you've swallowed and are now regurgitating:

    Donald Trump did not win a landslide victory. He won by one of the narrowest margins in US presidential history:

    https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/5094602-a-landslide-just-0-15-percent-of-all-voters-determined-trumps-2024-victory/

    Democrats did not operate an "open boarders" policy. Yes, the number of recorded encounters with migrants by US border officials increased during Biden's term but by the end of 2024, they were back to similar levels to those recorded during Trump's presidency (whose figures were also lower than normal due to the Covid 19 pandemic). Trump was also responsible for preventing a bi-partisan bill aimed at tightening border security in May 2024, proof that he doesn't actually care about the issue:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0jp4xqx2z3o

    You are, of course, correct about echo chambers but you're on very shaky ground claiming Trump isn't far right when his financial policies are corrupt, quid-pro-quo tax breaks for the billionaires who fund his campaigns (and quite brazenly bribed him with donations to his "inauguration fund" and a million dollar deal for a biopic about his mail order bride that no one has any interest in watching). Of coures those tax breaks are funded by cutting public services (which ironically would be of most benefit to the under-educated working class that voted for him in droves). Pretty right wing. Add in his opposition to abortion (bought and paid for with the votes of fundamentalist Christians) and his courting of white supremacists and repeating of their slogans which clearly demonstrate he's a racist (as well as a rapist with likely hebephilic / incestuous inclinations). Add it all together and it's pretty hard not to classify him as "far right".

    That said, in all honesty, the term "far right" implies an ideology. I'm not sure such lofty aspirations as "ideals" can be ascribed to Trump. Grifters and con-men aren't exactly known for being idealogues and as his record clearly demonstrates he's purely transactional in nature. He tells his supporters what they want to hear rather than doing anything to improve their lives.

    Trump cannot end Russia's illegal invasion of Ukraine. Volodymyr Zelenskyy can't even do that: polls of the Ukrainian people highlight sizeable amounts of the population that would fight on even were their president to surrender and you can be sure he has no intention of doing so, even if all military aid from the USA stops (something that both Democrat and Republican senators and congress members would do everything in their power to prevent since it'd do serious damage to their arms industry). There is only one way a US President can end the war and that's by issuing an ultimatum to Putin along the lines of "remove your troops from the recognised territory of Ukraine or the US military is going in to do it for you". Even if we disregard the obvious and imagine that Putin doesn't have some form of kompremat over him, it's very clear that President Bonespurs is neither strong enough, moral enough or brave enough to do that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62



    I guess there is … 1 positive

    Speaking on Monday, President Trump did not mince words as he addressed the possibility of BRICS nations contemplating alternatives to the US dollar in international trade. “If the BRICS nations want to do that, that’s okay, but we’re going to put at least a 100 per cent tariff on the business they do with the United States,” he asserted, underscoring his firm commitment to protecting the dollar’s dominance.

    He went on to emphasize, “They have a 100 per cent tariff if they so much as even think about reducing the use of the dollar in global trade.” This marks a continuation of Trump’s tough stance on the issue, echoing similar warnings he issued in December last year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭tarvis




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,565 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Except the part where he puts 100% tariffs on Spain because he has said it is the S in BRICS.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,869 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I did think about this yesterday -

    1. Under Trump America won't start wars of aggression is more likely to "finish them" or "withdraw" - no more Iraq's or Afghanistan, Vietnam etc
    2. Trump actually does what he says he going to do and tells people he is going to do it
    3. He believes that everyone has their price and a deal can be made on absolutely everything.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,311 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    They have elected a criminal who is already a terrorist

    [A terrorist is typically defined as a person who engages in terrorism, which involves the use of violence, threats, or intimidation, usually against civilians, to achieve political, religious, or ideological goals. The intent behind terrorism is often to create fear, influence governments or populations, or to provoke change in social or political structures.]

    Once Joe public sees that this all about making the rich richer domestic terrorism will increase:

    eg:

    https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/oklahoma-city-bombing

    As well as this sort of stuff, chemical, (Ricin) and biological ( Mopox, Ebola etc) will be a feature

    International terrorism against US interests abroad will also increase, with less intervention by national governments.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/initial-rescissions-of-harmful-executive-orders-and-actions/

    “I can’t pay my staff or mortgage with instagram likes”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,611 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    The worse that will happen is that Americans will starve. Who is going to work the low skilled low paid jobs such as the food and manufacturing sector if he turfs all the illegal immigrants out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,856 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    The main positive thing he brings is making it easy to identify the facists around us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    LOL I wouldn’t be surprised in his syphilis rotted mind Spanish speak same language as Mexicans so probably therefore are also all rapists and murderers or something daft like that



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,500 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    Except they will not do that; now this is not for some courageous reason or moral high ground mind you but it's simply that to increase the deportation they need to add billions to the agencies to handle it. Billions that they could instead put towards giving tax cuts; what do you think Trump and the republicans will do? And that's not coming from me making things up; this was briefed to republicans before Trump was sworn in to not expect earth shattering deportations simply because there's no budget for it. Yes; some nice high profile actions in Chicago to deport 200 people etc. but nothing major in practice because there's literally no benefit in it for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,635 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    This would be my list too

    The illegal immigration is absolutely nuts in American, imagine people coming from China and Africa. The Birthright citizenship is absolute nuts and can understand why Trump wants to stop it but they'll put up some fight for it

    Concerning the negative I would also add the environment as a negative, drill baby drill is going to do some damage which is nuts if you think about that a country that has been ravaged by mother nature recently doesn't wake up and say we have to be more environmentally aware

    Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,520 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    The Birthright citizenship is absolute nuts and can understand why Trump wants to stop it but they'll put up some fight for it

    Because it is in the Constitution. I have no strong feelings on birthright citizenship one way or the other, but I do have strong feelings on the rule of law. If they want to get rid of it, then push for a constitutional amendment not dictates from a President who considers himself above the law.

    The "Drill baby drill" thing is just completely stupid given that crude oil production hit a historic level during Biden's tenure. If anything Trump's chaotic nature will worsen it. There is just zero logic or consistency to anything he does.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,822 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    The majority of under 40s voted for Kamala I thought .That could be looked at as a positive .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,365 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    A Democratic President in office was catastrophic for the Middle East. A lot of young Americans were turned off both choices.

    I didn't realise servicemen were sacked for not taking the vaccine. There doesn't appear to be any disagreement with Trump's decision to give them back pay.

    It was pretty frenzied here over covid but even we didn't go to the Biden extremes on vaccines.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,365 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Well if they go down what Ireland did ìn 2004, I suspect there would be a resounding vote to remove the right. I think it was somewhere around 80% Yes here in 2004.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,520 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    They can't go down the route Ireland did because they don't have citizen majority voting for the constitution.

    It is not a question of what is popular etc, it is a question of whether they will obey the law as it stands. So far things don't look great.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,365 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Many US governments regularly flout the law. If it's a popular move, which it appears to be, they'll make it work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,822 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    You say " a lot of young Americans " were turned off both choices . Kamala won that popular vote. There is hope there that those young Americans will turn their country around after what looks to be a dictatorial regime for the next 4 years ...small hope but it is still a positive .

    I agree re the US servicemen . Also Biden did not deal with immigration. Or Netanyahu .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    A sizeable enough chunk of young people and Latinos and blacks who are usually are extremely pro democrat swung it for Trump



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,011 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I'd say that Trump is extremely predictable in that you only have to pay him the most surface level compliment and he loves you. Putin would not be second guessing the things he'd need to say in order to persuade Trump. What IS unpredictable is who has his ear as an advisor, because there is a swirling vortex of sycophants around him and each has a knife out for the next.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,432 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    Absolutely nothing positive. Trump as President is akin to having a cat attempt to land a 747 in a hurricane into Queenstown.

    This is a guy who says one thing like "we need to stop illegal drugs entering our country" then pardons one of the biggest importers of drugs into the US (as well as child porn, illegal weapons and hitmen for hire no less).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 295 ✭✭Soc_Alt


    I can inderstand why he was elected and fair play to him.

    He is right to pull out of WHO and the Paris Climate Agreement.

    It will be interesting to see his stance on the UN which is not fit for purpose.

    I also think NATO will be really shaken up this time around.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,365 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Nothing more strange than Irish people who normally can't stand bishops getting all supportive of a US Bishop because she said something against Trump. So much so that RTE has sent a notification about it this morning. A complete non story and RTE can't help themselves.

    If a Bishop said anything about our government's current tent policy for asylum seekers, the Bishop would rightly be told to eff off.



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