Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

There would be a number of people that would be perfectly happy if that were to happen & they'd turn up all over the web trying to make excuses for it.

I'm beginning to think that some of the pro-Israeli posters are not happy with there being a ceasefire.

Don't forget Bibi's part in strengthening Hamas. I heard some war expert on Newstalk the other morning with Pat Kenny saying that Hamas numbers have actually increased since Oct 7th. Relatives (young males) who have had family members blown up or shot were flocking to join. That is not good. Let's hope that this new peace becomes a just peace with no double standards or it could be back to square one again.

There is nothing so pure and righteous and unimpeachable as pre-emptive self defence. No point waiting on them to have capacity.

"These kids need to be killed from the day they born".

https://archive.ph/d8Zkf

And who could argue? It's just unfortunate that we don't allow others to do the same pre-emptive self defence isn't it. Russians definitely no.

The pictures of the hostages being surrounded by baying crowds also is provoking a lot more negative comments about the people of Gaza unfortunately. 

Posters on here would have you believe that it is a failing of Israeli character to react negatively to those baying crowds in Gaza though.

It would indeed be akin to that, if the Jews in question had emerged hale and hearty from Auschwitz.

The point is: they didn't. Jews in actual concentratoin camps were emaciated to the point of risking death at their first post-captivity meals.

You could find their names if you were actually interested. Much better to use the generality as propaganda though, because the reality is not at all as you portray it:

Here's an article about some of the Palestinians set to be released:

Chaya just received a devastating phone call notifying her that the Palestinian killer of Erez Rond, her son, is about to get out of prison and be set free. She says that she felt like somebody had punched her in the gut, as if she was receiving the news of her son’s murder again. As if her son was being killed again. 

And here:

Abla Saadat, the wife of Ahmed Saadat, Secretary-General of the PFLP, who planned the assassination of Minister Rehavam Ze’evi and has been imprisoned since 2006, is set to be released as well. In November, more than 60 PFLP members involved in terrorist activities, including Abla, were arrested. Hamas eagerly is seeking the release of her husband.

Additionally, Nahil Masalmeh, 37, who planned an attack on a security officer at the Cave of the Patriarchs in Hebron, will be released. She was arrested while carrying a knife. Nahil's husband, Ahed Dodin, a senior Hamas operative, is also in detention, Ynet reported.

A 17-year-old East Jerusalemite girl who attempted a stabbing attack on police officers in the Old City in May 2024 will also be released in the deal's first phase, as well as Noal Abd Fattah, who stabbed a 70-year-old man with a 20 cm knife on the Armon Hanatziv Promenade, will also be released. She was scheduled to be released in 2028.

A 16-year-old who conducted a shooting attack near the City of David, wounding an IDF officer over three years ago, will also be released. The prosecution is seeking an 18-year sentence for him, and his trial is still ongoing.

Bit different from a 9 month-old baby, his 4 yar old brother and their mother, all taken from their beds and suspected of no crimes at all. They have never had the right to a Red Cross visit in all that time - but apparently war crimes like that don't count for some posters here because the victims are Jews and therefore deserving of inhumane treatment.

A case on the pagers will be interesting.

A terrroist group bought equipment en masse, that equipment was sabotaged, killing and injuring those in possession of equipment owned by a terrorist group. It will be difficult to prove that was a war crime.

Read my post again, I didn't say that.

A receiver of stolen property isn't necessarily a thief, a person who was in possession of Hamas equipment isn't necessarily a terrorist, and I never implied that they were. However, I believe a court would conclude that it would be legitimate to sabotage equipment being purchased by a terrorist organisation.

You made that up.

The one thing I'll say in favour of Trump is that he is not a right wing Zionist and war criminal in the way Biden and Starmer are. He clearly hates Netanyahu and I doubt he has much time for Israel itself. I was reading a report today from the US that when he made his 'there will be hell to pay if there is not a ceasefire', his comments were aimed as much at Netanyahu as at Hamas

so Biden and Starmer are war criminals? When was this verified?

Exactly. Also in April of last year he blasted the Israeli's saying

"They’ve got to finish what they started, and they’ve got to finish it fast, and we have to get on with life"

and also in response the the obliteration of buildings in Gaza:

"Israel is absolutely losing the PR war"

Naturally enough, his naysayers claimed he said "Finish them off"

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/04/politics/trump-israel-comments/index.html

Interesting. Trump just announced Mel Gibson as ambassador of Hollywood California. Mel Gibson being a long term sufferer of "antisemitism" accusations.

Un said violation of humanitarian law

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/09/exploding-pagers-and-radios-terrifying-violation-international-law-say-un

“To the extent that international humanitarian law applies, at the time of the attacks there was no way of knowing who possessed each device and who was nearby,” the experts said. “Simultaneous attacks by thousands of devices would inevitably violate humanitarian law, by failing to verify each target, and distinguish between protected civilians and those who could potentially be attacked for taking a direct part in hostilities."

However anyone who supports Israel does not respect the UN so, I guess all the humans rights organizations are wrong and the genocidal state of Israel is correct

Wow. It’s less of a horrendous war crime to kidnap babies if they’re white?

Then perhaps the fact that the Bibas family are actually Yemeni Jews (hence the boys’ red hair) will enable you to feel some sympathy for them.

(In a rather curious coincidence, Yemeni Jews had a tradition of having female professional mourners, much like in Ireland.)

Haha. Don't worry. I know this peace is an upsetting time forso I'm making it easier for you.

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